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Subj: Re: Evidence (EDIT added)
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 at 11:09:04 am EST (Viewed 100 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Evidence (EDIT added)
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 at 07:34:02 am EST (Viewed 97 times)


    But Thor has only ever used his godblast on Galactus that one time. So based on Thor #169, it should go without saying that if Thor ever unleashes his godblast on Galactus, then Thor should win, right?

    LOL, no. Thor and Galactus have faced off many, many times since that issue and Galactus has proven superior and therefore you would expect Galactus to be ranked higher as he should be. If the godblast is an autowin, then Thor should use it everytime he fights Galactus but he doesn't. Why would that be?

    Because of the needs of the story of course. Magneto could use blood tricks every fight but he doesn't. Invisible Woman can turn the eyeballs of her enemies invisible in every fight, but she doesn't. Spectrum can fly through the eyes of her opponents in every fight and fry their brain, but she doesn't. Kitty Pryde could phase her opponents into the ground in every fight but she doesn't. I could go on and on. These are all tactics these characters have used, but if they used them constantly for auto-wins, it would be hard to tell the story. So you can try to spin away the results of the Thor-Galactus fight with other Thor/Galactus showings, but there's no difference than my pointing out that there is other evidence for how a Thor-Superman fight can

I hardly think you can equate the evidence of Galactus likely winning in
a majority of fights with Thor with the evidence that Thor would likely win
against Superman.

    Again, I'm not debating whether Superman or Thor should be #1. I am arguing about the "goes without saying" description. I am arguing exactly that it's not 100% settled because of one fight in one issue. I am arguing exactly that the waters are muddied because Busiek put these things into his own story.

So to you, when BK said it
goes without saying means he thinks Superman wins 100% of the time? You might
have to ask him but I don't think this is what he means. I think he meant that
it goes without saying that Supes should be ranked #1.  Busiek muddied the waters you say? Perhaps, but what was crystal clear in that story was that Superman can win against Thor. That should count for something, no?

    Sure, the result of the fight should take primacy, but that doesn't mean other evidence should be ignored, which is what you and Bk are saying. Thor's confidence in a different outcome,
The fight takes precedence to justify Supes being ranked #1, over anecdotes in the comic yes, Thor's boasting is as relevant as Aquaman's skepticism.
    uperman's awe at Mjolnir's power, Superman describing Thor as the toughest opponent he's ever faced, Thor having beaten three different characters with Superman's powers, one of whom has feats better than Superman and one of whom who has stalemated Superman on numerous occasions, all of these should at least be taken into account.
Not more so than, Thor being flabbergasted that Supes stopped Mjolnir in full swing with his bare hand and then knocking him out...and his dials go up to 11.
    ou keep acting like my point is that Thor should beat Superman. It's not. It's simply that there is a fair amount of evidence that he could.
No, I keep saying that based on JLA/Avengers, Supes should be ranked #1 in OP's thread.
    Basically, this is practically your calling a majority of the people on this board irrational because they think there is evidence that Thor could beat Superman the preponderance of the time, saying that's a ridiculous notion because it's completely settled by one fight in one issue whose continuity isn't even clear.
Wow, dude - kindly stop with the misrepresentation and putting words into my mouth. Pssst....based on JLA/Avengers, Supes should be ranked #1 in OP's thread. Oh, yeah - if there is an official board rule that says JLA/Avengers doesn't count on this board, let me know. Thanks.
    pider-Man has only ever fought Firelord once as far as I know. Spider-Man won that fight. Is it completely settled that Spider-Man is superior to Firelord?
Another Apple to Aardvark comparison. Honestly now, are you leaving out some key pieces on that Firelord/Spidey fight? Or that you are privvy to some key info in the Supes/Thor fight where Thor only a fraction of his power? Maybe we should do a board poll study on Spidey, eh? \:\-\)

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Tom, who's more powerful: Galactus or a Celestial? I'd put my money on Galactus over any single Celestial.