Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
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Subj: Re: How about over Shazam...there is some evidence that Superman is greater, but the vast majority
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 at 09:07:39 pm EST (Viewed 79 times)
Reply Subj: How about over Shazam...there is some evidence that Superman is greater, but the vast majority
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 at 07:39:45 pm EST (Viewed 11 times)

    shows them as equals...there was a whole issue dedicated to showing that they were exact equals, with Superman astounded by the powers he had when he wielded the lightning bolt and acknowledging him as his equal in every way...

Shazam is a bargain at a buck. I think we can all agree. I still do think that Supes is the solid #1 choice. 

    I think Zvelf takes issue with the way it was worded, as if only an idiot could argue that Superman shouldn't be alone at the top of that list.  There are good, solid arguments for Thor (even though he lost head to head, he DID beat Captain Marvel, Superman's equal, for instance, and has had similar stalemates with Hulk as Superman had in the last crossover between Supes and Hulk) and Shazam.

Thor beat CM in a fan-voted comic and again, from what I understand, in standard battleboard discussions, those don't usually doesn't count. But I do understand what you are saying but at the same time, I don't think I ever minimized Thor or said he wasn't an elite powerhouse along all those guys in the category. I was asserting that Supes deserves being the #1 guy in that category based on his clear-cut victory in JLA/Avengers. Perhaps to some, stating "it goes without saying" means they Supes will win 100% of the time. That would explain the triggering, but I certainly don't think it should be taken that way. I do agree with your *edit Vidar's earlier statement that industry politics guaranteed Superman's win and go further in guessing the comic would never have been published the result was any other than.  However, I do stand by my stance that all the parties did agree about the result and it was published, therefore should have the most weight as evidence in this battleboard discussion.

    My understanding with the new 52 is that Wonder Woman may be more powerful than any of them, as her vembrances or something hold back her full power....

Good point. Yeah, my assumption was we were talking about the "classic" versions of the heroes. Never even thought about contemporary versions. Otherwise, it would be Lady Thor, 52 DC versions, Cho or She-Hulk. This board doesn't really have any by-rules on versions does it?

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