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Subj: Re: Infinity Countdown #4
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 at 12:09:37 am EDT (Viewed 869 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Infinity Countdown #4
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 at 02:21:41 pm EDT (Viewed 902 times)

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    But when the Surfer was told he was tampered with, he confronted Galactus, the tampering was removed and Surfer has come to slowly but surely accept his role and unless he was tampered with again, he still feels the guilt and accepts the responsibility.



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    So yes he is morally responsible for all the planets and lives lost when he was herald. he knows this, he's confronted it and learned to live with it.


um...he's responsible for all the lives he's taken for Galactus every time he's returned to his service AFTER that scene (like that planet he led Galactus to in DnA's Nova series). But that scene you describe absolves Norrin of all responsibility for the crimes he committed BEFORE Galactus removed the tampering.

Silver Surfer's personality was altered to make him a pliant herald. So he's off the hook for those original deaths as he wasn't himself. But as I understand it Norrin has went back into Galactus's service multiple times since that incident...any deaths Galactus caused after that are Norrin's fault.



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    Galactus could have just as easily left the tampering in place and erased Surfer's memory of the tampering.


Are we talking about guilt or moral culpability. Silver Surfer feels guilty for those deaths during his original tenure as herald but we can't find him guilty of those deaths....his personality was altered without his knowledge.

When Norrin made the deal presumably he either didn't think about the ramifications of the deal or planned to manipulate Galactus into only going to unpopulated worlds...Galactus wouldn't have it so he altered Norrin's personality to minimize his humanity.


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    In fact when Surfer collapsed under the sudden guilt and hallcuinations of drowning in blood, Galactus told him he could restore the tampering if Surfer so wished.


But that doesn't MAKE Norrin guilty. He FELT guilty. But he's not responsible because his personality had been rewritten by Galactus.



But that is the point, it is Norrin that thinks he is guilty for all the deaths when he first served as herald and after the tampering was removed the blocked emotions came literally flooding back into him.

He then later had to face his past and his issues when he was a prisoner of Virtual Reality during the Infinity Gauntlet.