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Subj: Re: Bart Haters: WE WON! WE WON! [SPOILERS]
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 at 03:49:48 pm BST
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 at 01:22:54 am BST

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> > Rich Johnston over at "Lying in the Gutters" writes:
> >
> > Look for the return of Barry Allen, as hinted at in the "Countdown" ads, before the end of the year.
>
> Hopefully Barry returns. But not as the Flash. Bart is doing a bang up job and is slowly evolving into the best Flash ever.
>
> The Bart haters need to ask DC why they hired the crappy writers that made Bart bad.
>
>
I agree almost completely.(Little early to make a "best Flash ever" prediction but my fingers are crossed.)

I love Barry, but Barry's time is over. And it's not like he ever really went away. Barry's influence and presence was felt all throughout Wally's run. He was constantly referencing him and trying to live up to the example that Barry led. And that's before he started making time travel assisted flesh and blood appearances in volume 2.

The Flash is not Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman. While those titles need to keep turning back the clock on their protagonists' ages to keep them current, we get something better. We get the same powers and costume (with minor variation) but a new character that will have a different approach to being a superhero, different personality and new foibles. We've got a book that will not stagnate.

It may be difficult to hear but Barry represents the past now. Bart is the present. Re-establishing Barry would seem like a large step backwards in the overall story of the Fastest Men alive. Think about it, Barry was the Flash for about thirty years. Are there any stories that you could do with Barry that have not already been done? And if so, why wouldn't those stories work with Bart now? Other than bring back Barry for bringing back Barry's sake, storywise, what do you really get with him back in the red and yellow?

Fair is fair: the relaunch with Bart was bad. It was a convoluted story that did not answer the questions we had, raised more that didn't make sense and focused on everything but establishing Bart as the new Flash. But, every issue with Guggenheim has fleshed 21 year old Bart out, had good writing style and art, and built a larger story with entertaining (relatively) self-contained issues. Guggenheim has said, his goal is to make Bart better than anything we've seen before. He wants Bart be so good that the JLA writers will ask him to let them use Bart on the JLA. Why don't we give him that chance?

Sorry this post went on for so long, I'm just getting a little tired of all the negativism over Bart's "promotion."

> > > Rich Johnston over at "Lying in the Gutters" writes:
> > >
> > > Look for the return of Barry Allen, as hinted at in the "Countdown" ads, before the end of the year.
> >
> > Hopefully Barry returns. But not as the Flash. Bart is doing a bang up job and is slowly evolving into the best Flash ever.
> >
> > The Bart haters need to ask DC why they hired the crappy writers that made Bart bad.
> >
> >
> I agree almost completely.(Little early to make a "best Flash ever" prediction but my fingers are crossed.)
>
> I love Barry, but Barry's time is over. And it's not like he ever really went away. Barry's influence and presence was felt all throughout Wally's run. He was constantly referencing him and trying to live up to the example that Barry led. And that's before he started making time travel assisted flesh and blood appearances in volume 2.
>
> The Flash is not Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman. While those titles need to keep turning back the clock on their protagonists' ages to keep them current, we get something better. We get the same powers and costume (with minor variation) but a new character that will have a different approach to being a superhero, different personality and new foibles. We've got a book that will not stagnate.
>
> It may be difficult to hear but Barry represents the past now. Bart is the present. Re-establishing Barry would seem like a large step backwards in the overall story of the Fastest Men alive. Think about it, Barry was the Flash for about thirty years. Are there any stories that you could do with Barry that have not already been done? And if so, why wouldn't those stories work with Bart now? Other than bring back Barry for bringing back Barry's sake, storywise, what do you really get with him back in the red and yellow?
>
> Fair is fair: the relaunch with Bart was bad. It was a convoluted story that did not answer the questions we had, raised more that didn't make sense and focused on everything but establishing Bart as the new Flash. But, every issue with Guggenheim has fleshed 21 year old Bart out, had good writing style and art, and built a larger story with entertaining (relatively) self-contained issues. Guggenheim has said, his goal is to make Bart better than anything we've seen before. He wants Bart be so good that the JLA writers will ask him to let them use Bart on the JLA. Why don't we give him that chance?
>
> Sorry this post went on for so long, I'm just getting a little tired of all the negativism over Bart's "promotion."

P.S.: Just making sure this was clear: this was not directed at Rocket or Dustin, just the more negative fans that have been posting here lately.


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