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footman

In Reply To
Racer Cool

Subj: defined? no, ruined.
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:03:23 am BST
Reply Subj: Re: This makes me angry... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:04:44 am BST

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> > Now we know why the last two runs of The Flash have been so bad. DC wanted us to hate Bart and this new run so much that we would cheer when they brought Barry back. Gotta hand it to the big wigs at DC-didn't see that one coming!
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> You know, this makes me really angry. Wally has been solidly established as the Flash for way too long for this to happen. They took all meaning from every great story Kyle was a part of when they brought back Hal. You KNOW that they are going to do the exact smae thing now with Wally. They have been producing crap in the Flash comics just to make Barry look that much better in his return. Wally is too good for this. He's one of the best written and most in depth heroes in all of comics. His developement from Kid Flash to now is rivalled in the DCU only by Nightwing.
> Aside from his death in Crisis, was there EVER any truly great, truly epic Flash story when Barry was wearing the mask? Barry is a much more compelling character when he is dead, and an inspiration to Wally. I know that the writing style and the stories told were different then, but really... Wally has been the star of every great Flash story ever written. So many writers have spent so much time developing his family, his continuity, his developement as a hero, his supporting cast (the most solid in superhero comics IMO), and all of that is going to be cheapened the second Barry takes over the book. As a solid reader of Flash for the last 23 years, if this is what happens, I'm out. :-@

First off, Bart should not have been the Flash at that time in the first place. He should of stayed Kid Flash. If Bart was still Kid Flash, he may still be alive and still be a member of the Teen Titans thus I would still be collecting the series.

Secondly, Wally's return with family in tow has diluted the series with its lack of direction. I left the Flash after the Wild Wild West story arc after reading the series for 20 years.

Thirdly, there has been at least two Barry Allen/Flash stories that were epic. In the late 70's, the 'death' of Iris Allen at the hands of Professor Zoom the Reverse-Flash. Then in the mid-80's, the trial of the Flash for 'killing' Professor Zoom. These were two storylines that helped define Barry Allen.

Lastly, this is based on rumors that I have been hearing, but I heard that post-FC that Morrison/Johns are developing a 'Flash Comics' series that stars Jay Garrick, Barry Allen and Wally West. Three generations of Flashes in one comic. If true, I plan on returning to the series.



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> Thirdly, there has been at least two Barry Allen/Flash stories that were epic. In the late 70's, the 'death' of Iris Allen at the hands of Professor Zoom the Reverse-Flash. Then in the mid-80's, the trial of the Flash for 'killing' Professor Zoom. These were two storylines that helped define Barry Allen.

You say that you have read the Flash for 20 years, so I assume you were not actually reading the Flash at that time. I take exception to your statement, and say that those were two storylines that RUINED, (not "defined") Barry Allen's career as the Falsh and doomed his book, which was cancelled at the end of the trial. You might not realize this, but that era of the FLASH title was marred by abysmal fan ratings and low sales. By having Barry Allen kill or seem to kill Professor Zoom, DC put him in a category that virtually guaranteed his title's cancellation. Those storylines were badly done and the trial in particular dragged on interminably with no direction.

The murder/trial era is rightly hated as much as the clone saga in Spider-man, and the sales were so bad that DC refrained from bringing Barry back for 23 years! Also, this abominable story signalled the end of Cary Bates career as a writer throughout those two decades, and Infantino's career as an artist as well.

Also, Comics did then and do now have a stigma regarding heroes who kill. Only heroes who are designated kilers, like the Punisher or Wolverine, can kill someone and remain viable. Spider-Man, the Hulk, Captain America, Jean Grey or Green Lantern could not be written as killing a villain without repercussions. Look at Wonder Woman's killing of Maxwell Lord and the ridiculous fallout that ensued. To this day, if a non-killing hero kills an enemy, the company (be they DC or Marvel) will turn on that character, even though they approved the story in the first place.




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