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Kelson

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Racer Cool

Subj: Carmine Infantino
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:43:41 am BST
Reply Subj: Re: defined? no, ruined.
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:40:34 pm BST

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> > Thirdly, there has been at least two Barry Allen/Flash stories that were epic. In the late 70's, the 'death' of Iris Allen at the hands of Professor Zoom the Reverse-Flash. Then in the mid-80's, the trial of the Flash for 'killing' Professor Zoom. These were two storylines that helped define Barry Allen.
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> You say that you have read the Flash for 20 years, so I assume you were not actually reading the Flash at that time. I take exception to your statement, and say that those were two storylines that RUINED, (not "defined") Barry Allen's career as the Falsh and doomed his book, which was cancelled at the end of the trial. You might not realize this, but that era of the FLASH title was marred by abysmal fan ratings and low sales. By having Barry Allen kill or seem to kill Professor Zoom, DC put him in a category that virtually guaranteed his title's cancellation. Those storylines were badly done and the trial in particular dragged on interminably with no direction.
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> The murder/trial era is rightly hated as much as the clone saga in Spider-man, and the sales were so bad that DC refrained from bringing Barry back for 23 years! Also, this abominable story signalled the end of Cary Bates career as a writer throughout those two decades, and Infantino's career as an artist as well.
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> Also, Comics did then and do now have a stigma regarding heroes who kill. Only heroes who are designated kilers, like the Punisher or Wolverine, can kill someone and remain viable. Spider-Man, the Hulk, Captain America, Jean Grey or Green Lantern could not be written as killing a villain without repercussions. Look at Wonder Woman's killing of Maxwell Lord and the ridiculous fallout that ensued. To this day, if a non-killing hero kills an enemy, the company (be they DC or Marvel) will turn on that character, even though they approved the story in the first place.
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Actually, when I said 20 years, I meant the Wally West version. I was reading Barry's stories before that starting in the late 70's around #270. Don't know the original reason why but I enjoyed the series right up to the final issue (#350).

As for the murder rap and trial, well, I guess I'm in the minority a one who enjoyed the arc. What was interesting, at the time, is how a relatively a good man (a hero) would stup to 'murder' or killing an enemy. It was unique at the time. There has been other characters that have killed like Wonder Woman kiling Maxwell Lord and Superman killing 3 Phantom Zone villains but it was Barry's that was unique.

As for Cary Bates career ..... well, he moved on to Captain Atom in 1986 ( a series that I read until it ended in 1991 prior to Armageddon 2001 #2). Carimne Infantino has drawn guest title work here and there until his death but he was pretty much retired. Similiar to Curt Swan when he left the Superman titles in 1986.




> As for Cary Bates career ..... well, he moved on to Captain Atom in 1986 ( a series that I read until it ended in 1991 prior to Armageddon 2001 #2). Carimne Infantino has drawn guest title work here and there until his death but he was pretty much retired. Similiar to Curt Swan when he left the Superman titles in 1986.

For the record, Carmine Infantino is still alive. He had a spotlight panel a couple of years ago at San Diego Comic-Con, and more recently he's been interviewed for The Flash Companion. I don't think he's done much comic work in a while, but he did the cover for his nephew's band's CD, "They're Everywhere!" which includes the song, "The Ballad of Barry Allen."


"The Flash lives! I always wanted to say that." -- Wally West, Flash v.2 #50




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