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Iron Man Unit 007

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Knight

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Subj: Re: FLASH MAY 12th
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 at 10:29:41 pm BST (Viewed 6 times)
Reply Subj: Re: FLASH MAY 12th
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 at 09:00:48 pm BST (Viewed 350 times)

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    Okay whatever that neutralizer device is in the Arrow, Cisco and Caitlyn need to replicate that device and build many copies of it ASAP as we all know RF isn't down for long.


And we all know he has a back up plan. Any mastermind Super-Villain always does.


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    Even though they shut down RF's speed for the moment, how will they contain him? Wells/Thawne is very crafty.


Crafty as well as smart. Smarter than any and all of them. Now is the perfect time to get Gideon away from Thawne.


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    RF reveals he stores his costume in his Reverse Flash ring!


Isn't that awesome? Maybe Barry will get that idea and adopt it himself.


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    Snart double crossed Barry, no surprise there. Barry's faith in human kindness was used against him. Now the Rogues are on the loose and Snart is planning to recruit them since they owe him a big favor. I have got to once again give the writers points for making Snart so devious.


Which is good. Too often I see absolutely brilliant villains do so well only to have their intelligence level drop waaaaaay down. So far, Snart is escaping that tired cliché. Let's hope it keeps up.


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    Joe realizes more then ever that in terms of the law they are all in it deep for the containing of the metas. However with them all free now, the situation is somewhat moot, and Cisco and Caitlyn could easily wipe out evidence that they were locked up at Star Labs.


Oops.


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    Eddie breaks up with Iris. He has seen his future and is not pleased and he realizes that Iris and Barry love each other, they know it even if they won't admit it, Joe knows it, and Eddie is done fighting it. Possible turn to the darkside for Eddie coming?


All indications seem to be heading that way.


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    Caitlyn briefly gets mindzapped by the meta that induces anger....possible first nudge to being Killer Frost?


Eh, maybe. But we won't see Killer Frost until season 2.


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    Great appearances by Firestorm and Arrow. The fact that they leave beforee RF is locked in a cell is bad though, even with that neutralizer stuck in RF.


Well, they probably have their own problems to deal with. I know Oliver does. \:\)


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    Nice Hal Jordan reference at Ferris Aircraft.


*Smiles* It was a nice one. LOVED IT! \:\)


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    Even though RF is down, they have a fully charged particle accelerator on hand to deal with. I sense Barry now has the means to time warp to the past as the accelerator is now serving as the cosmic treadmill.


Yep. And from the previews, he does time travel into the past. \:\)

*Crosses fingers* Let's hope Barry remembers what Wells/Thawne tried telling him. You can't change the past without changing the future. Let's hope Barry realizes this and does NOT save his Mom. I know that may sound harsh, but I really, really don't want the writers to do Flashpoint. That storyline sucked!


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    I also suspect that Cisco and Barry will use the power generator from the wheelchair that cisco used to power the containment truck to supercharge Barry's powers.


Maybe.


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    Barry likely already IS faster then RF, but his doubt is impeding him. Just like in the Matrix with Neo, Barry must free his mind and not think he is slower or faster then RF but he must KNOW that he is.


You said it. Wells/Thawne said it better than anyone. "The only limit is yourself. You have everything you need."


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    EDIT: Aside from the fact that RF does have Barry believing he is slower then RF, I begin to suspect that RF has been juicing himself up with the battery that Cisco found in the wheelchair, but remember also that when he stole the tachyon device he clamped it onto his costume in storage and the costume was getting saturated with tachyon particles.


Yep. \:\)


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    We later saw RF using the device on himself but that he wasn't stabilizing and not absorbing the speed force energy as he should be...


Again...Yep


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    I suspect that battery in the wheelchair was indeed charging Reverse Flash so that he could use his powers and it was temporarily boosting him to be able to fight Barry, but once he got his hands on the tachyon device, he imbued his suit with tachyon energy and thus has a DUAL POWER SOURCE to keep him charged up until he can finish his plans with the particle accelerator.


Most likely.


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    Remember also that when RF first fights Barry in the series, Barry is still a novice with his powers and wasn't ready for someone like the Reverse Flash. Now it is all about RF having a major power source to boost himself and Barry's own doubts are keeping Barry's power level down.


And as soon as those doubts vanish, Barry will finally be faster than RF. \:D


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    EDIT 2: just rewatched the last half of Ep 9 when RF stole the tachyon device. When he was in the time vault and opened the closet where the RF costume was stored, the RF suit was jet black in color UNTIL RF used his reverse flash ring to turn on the lights in the storage room, but look carefully and the suit didn't turn yellow due to the lights, but due to the ring ACTIVATING the suit! The chest symbol on it lit up and then suit turns yellow. He then attaches the tachyon device to the suit and it begins to absorb the tachyon energies. Now I am even more convinced that I am right, that RF is having troubles tapping the speed force, and that he juiced up his suit to act as a power source and also juiced himself with that battery in the wheelchair.


I think your right. I had come the same conclusion. In the future, the speed force exists and Wells/Thawne taps into it for his Superspeed. But in the past, it doesn't exist yet, so that's why Wells/Thawne was trapped in the past because there was no longer any speed force to tap into anymore. His power source was gone.


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    Also don't forget that in the Queen Bee episode there was an implication that Tina McGee's company MIGHT have another tachyon device...


Maybe. If it doesn't come into play in the Season finale, I doubt we'll see it unless the writers find a reason for it.


Correct, the speed force didnt exist when RF killed Nora and he ran out of power in pursuit of Barry and kid Barry while also running the wrong way \:\)

Now it does exist but it is still forming apparently or else Barry hasn't reached full power to fully create it hence RF needs the battery in his chair and also the tachyons in his suit.

Even though he is super charged, I suspect he has to still take it easy with power usage or he may run out of energy like he did in that ep in Star Labs when he collapsed to the ground and couldn't move for a bit.

As to Oliver, Flash is supposed to appear in the Arrow finale tonight, I sense that Flash will be a wild card to Rha's plans that Rha's will not have anticipated.

Does RF have a plan to counter Ray's nanotech neutralizers? Maybe. However even though he was amused that Barry brought friends and he felt he could take all three of them, I don't think he anticipated a neutralizer. Doesn't mean he can't compensate for it or that his body won't regenerate and heal up and restore his power.

Now as to Time Travel, it is happening, the trailer they released that I linked to in the above thread shows Flash talking to Nora as she lays on the floor in their home and it looks like the fight is over. She may still be wounded and dying for all we know or else got knocked senseless and is recovering.

Yes, saving his mother will alter the timeline and change the future. Now we are all anticipating Flashpoint, but I don't think we will get precisely that storyline, but a derivative of it. Remember in the 90's series, Flash time jumped 10 years ahead and saw how things were and went back and fixed it to prevent a dystopian future.

In this case, Barry may create the dystopian future and have to go back and stop himself from saving his mom. They have the hologram images of the fight, but even though Barry is seeing himself in that fight, for all we know the images are incomplete and there could be TWO Barry's present, one to stop RF from killing anyone and the other to make sure that RF DOES kill his mother......

However, even if Nora were saved I find it hard to imagine that the world really goes to pieces from the butterfly effect. Yes lives will be altered, Nora's, Henry's, Barry's, RF's, Cisco's, Caitlyn's, the real Dr Wells, but in the original timeline the particle accelerator is still built and we presume that Barry still becomes the Flash just at a later date. Oliver's life will be slightly changed as he won't have met the Flash just yet, and Firestorm's life will alter as well.

But the world going to pieces? We might get a future where Firestorm is imprisoned like Superman was in Flashpoint and the Arrow may be an even more grim killing machine like how the Batman of Flashpoint was, and it is IF the future is dystopian.

Reverse Flash would still be there as he is a chronal anomaly of course.

Still despite the temporal consequences, I cannot blame Barry at all for wanting to save his mother. It is a noble gesture, albeit perhaps a bit selfish as he could go back and save others but then that is playing God. Still, what child wouldn't make such an attempt to save their mother? or Father?

Even if Barry doesn't succeed, I would still think that the mystery blood found in the home (one is Barry the other is RF) and the holograms they managed to create as well as testimony from Joe that he was studying the case and RF took away the evidence and left a death threat for Iris, plus the recording of RF stating it was not his intention to kill Nora.....all of that should make the DA realize that Henry may have indeed been set up. Remember: it is guilty beyond reasonable doubt and all the things they have discovered, even if they are circumstantial evidence, should still raise some doubt and get the case reevaluated. Joe also stated they never bother to look for another suspect and wouldn't listen to what Henry had to say. Basically sloppy police work and Henry was railroaded.




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