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Knight

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Reverend Meteor

Subj: Re: FLASH Season 2 Episode 8 part 1 of the seasonal crossover with ARROW
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 at 06:18:36 pm EST (Viewed 311 times)
Reply Subj: Re: FLASH Season 2 Episode 8 part 1 of the seasonal crossover with ARROW
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 at 03:18:08 pm EST (Viewed 4 times)

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      1. Barry is not at peak speed. He is still suffering PTSD from the time travel/RF incidents and of course ZOOM crushing him in battle. He should NOT have had any trouble catching all of the knives hurled by Savage and he should NOT have been intercepted by Hawkman. Something is wrong with him. Also, why is Barry even wearing a mask at all? Last season Felicity blurts out his name and thus Malcolm learns the Flash is someone named Barry. Now in this episode Malcolm appears from the shadows out of nowhere twice and sees Barry's face both times.



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    Yeah, it's a mental thing with Barry I think. He is mentally limiting his own speed. That's my theory. And yeah, why wear a mask when he makes no effort to hide who he is? The writers really need to FIX this problem. Getting tired of this lazy, sloppy writing.


Everyone always complains about this but I think it's unfair.

I didn't like Iris before she found out Barry's secret.

I didn't like Laurel before she found out Oliver's secret. I was kind of fence about Thea to before she found out.

The female characters become better characters when they learn the truth...and this isn't just true in the Arrowverse. Apply it to any show where a male main character routinely lies to a female character and tell me if the female character does not become more compelling after they learn the truth. Even Skyler White became bearable after she learned Walter White made meth. Chloe became a better character on Smallville once she knew Clark's secret...every female character did.

We always complain about how lame the female characters are in these shows and the secrecy is why. The female characters don't have agency in their lives while the male character constantly lies to them and takes away their ability to make decisions. The female characters are always being lied to and manipulated so of course they become angry shrews. One of the smart things Flash did was put Caitlin in the loop from the very beginning...we've never had to worry about Caitlin being all needy and insecure because everyone lies to her all the time.



(oddly enough the reverse might be true of male characters...they can become whiny and overly needy for a bro/love interest when they learn the main characters secret: Pete Ross, Foggy Nelson, Tommy Merlyn, Riley Finn etc)

All that said...I think it would be interesting if Patty finds out herself on this one and Barry has to tell her she hasn't earned his trust yet when she gets mad. They're not sleeping together. He had to tell Linda because he was risking her life. Iris is a childhood friend. His work friends support him. Joe is sort of his dad. Patty really hasn't earned the right to know yet so I'm hoping he doesn't tell her until she somehow...earns the trust it would take to tell her. Until her life is in danger for not knowing or he can be sure she can be trusted I hope he keeps her out of the circle of trust.




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      At this point, Barry is going to need his own Mephisto Mindwipe to make his ID secret again!



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    No kidding.



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      2. Wells 2 calculates ZOOM is 3 to 4 times faster then Barry and he and Caitlyn cook up Velocity 6 to give Barry a temporary power boost to fight Zoom.



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    I'm thinking it might go through a few variations before Barry even uses it, IF he uses it. Enter Velocity 9! \:\)



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      3. great interactions between Team Arrow and Team Flash. Also a nice scene of the costume cases in the arrow cave with their suits side by side.



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    Indeed. ;\)



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      4. So begins the Legends of Tomorrow.



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    Eh, not until Jan. 21st. ;\)



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      5. Oliver sees his long lost girlfriend and is suspicious that the kid is his son.......anyone else thinking that kid and the girl get killed by Darkh and that it was their grave we saw in the Arrow opener?



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    Possible. Either one or both are on the list, but they go on the bottom for me.



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    It's about time we saw the son! \:\)



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      6. Barry gives an assist against Darkh who was all Whiskey Tango Foxtrot at what just happened. Does this mean Arrow will return the favor by taking some shots at ZOOM?



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    Maybe, but I hope not.



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      7. Some serious magic is being used and I did state before that TEAM FLASH has no knowledge or experience with MAGIC WIELDING FOES, which is why Barry gets Team Arrow to help. This would be a nice time for Constantine to make another appearance, or as I have stated before let's get JASON BLOOD to show up. Jason Blood is immortal and sometimes it takes an immortal to fight another immortal.



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    Indeed, but I don't think that's going to happen.



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      Also when fighting an immortal, you want them stopped but instead of killing an immortal which by definition really isn't possible, they should instead work on somehow containing him.



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    How about building a near indestructible cell, then have a powerful magic user put magic wards on it to keep Savage contained, then burying that cell so deep into the Earth it will be utterly impossible to escape?



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      Such as say, the molten core of a volcano?



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    Perhaps. \:\)



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      Or perhaps a vat of liquid nitrogen? Savage may not truly perish but he sure as blazes will suffer for a long time.



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    And have cold dreams...





You do make some good point, but your forgetting one very important detail. Kendra has barely started to date Cisco, so hardly even knows the guy nor has she earned the right to know Barry's secret. She is a practical stranger for all intents and purposes and he just blurts out Barry is the Flash. Circumstances forced the issue of Barry's ID revealed to Kendra sooner than it should have been.

Then there is the fact that Barry, unmasked, zoomed in and sat on a chair in front of someone who did not know who he was in Flash's first crossover episode, which was absolutely stupid of him to do so.

And then Felicity blurts out his name right in front of Malcolm Merlyn, a villain, who had no right to know nor did he earn that right because he didn't.

Then Barry reveals his identity to his childhood bully just to rub it in his face, which was (at the time) a STUPID decision (but thankfully the Colossus rip-off died later).

I wouldn't be complaining so much if Barry would simply STOP taking his mask off or his identity being revealed in front of "strangers" or villains or people he barely knows ALL the time. So yes, if this keeps up, he will need a massive mind wipe just keep his identity hidden.







It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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