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JesusFan

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Subj: Re: Barry's weaknesses
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 at 05:31:37 pm GMT (Viewed 262 times)
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    In the 90's Flash series, Barry had



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    1. a few matabolic shutdown/blackouts in the pilot movie. These were not seen again in the regular series.



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    2. From the pilot movie all the way to the end of the 90's series, Barry's stomach was a bottomless pit due to his metabolism.



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    3. Due to needing caloric consumption in the 90's series there was a limit to how far and fast he could go.



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    4. Fatigue and overload/burnout. There was an episode in the 90's series where he was over exerting himself and Tina was warning him he needed to take a rest. he ended up cloned and the clone perished by overloading and burning up leaving an empty costume behind ala Crisis on Infinite Earths.

I had a couple of VHS tapes of this series and I wish now I had kept them, it was a series that was well made, impressive effects, likable cast, but lacking in the script department. I didn't feel the charming cast was well served by the generally mediocre scripting and unambitious plotting.
The series was of course an amalgam of Barry Allen and Wally West era's and as I recall the series made its debut just aafter the time Wally had raced Superman Circa Flash #35 and concurrent with issue #44 thereabouts, so the producers were basing Barry's television treatment on where Wally was up to about issue #40... just before his first major turning point in #50. You can certainly see why they would have decided the Wally West science would be ideal for television, from Alan Moore's The Anatomy Lesson onwards this was the time where DC Comics felt they had to introduce a science and plausibility to their characters, so Superman got a detailed "solar Battery" rationale to his abilities and The Flash gained a dietary component where he was only as fast as what he could eat - a point graphically illustrated in the War of the Gods crossover where he challenged the God Mercury and manages to match him due to carefully positioned Food-Refueling points along a staged route as they race cross-country.
It was an interesting idea this need for calories to fuel his speed, after the godlike era of Barry Allen it was an arguable necessary means by which to make The Flash more limited and managable, but as the years wore on it did become a crutch to the character and rather stale. In the end it limited him too much... but long before any idea of a 'Speedforce' component to the mythos this was THE science of The Flash, and like Superman's Solar Battery science it did the trick in making the character more appealing to a new and wider audience, by making him plausible. And an air of Plausibility was proving to be a huge requirement in the superhero comics of the mid to late 80s and beyond...


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    IN the new series:



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    1. Barry has the accelerated metabolism.



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    2. He did have the blackouts at first but that was quickly resolved by 50 bags of glucose solution to get him back on his feet followed by dietary adjustments and special calorie bars that Cisco formulated. This prevents the blackouts and keeps his hunger relatively in control.



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    3. He has the speed force to power him thus there are few limits to how far and fast he can go. his biggest limit is his rather traumatized mind as I spoke of in the thread below.



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    4. Fatigue/extreme injury: Barry does need to rest, and as we have seen he just had his back snapped by ZOOM and it took a few weeks for his powers to heal him up, but for awhile he wasn't at full speed until he timewarped again.

As a recuperative feat it is impressive, The Flash and his metabolism makes rapid healing logical to some extent but the only occasions I can recall Barry showing such an ability was back in his original run with #277 as his metabolism keeps him alive after a massive drug overdose, and more relevantly #327 as he lacerates his hands. It was not an ability that was prominent however, many are the times he shows no such advantage when injured, and clearly it was one of those tics that was only relevant when the writer remembered it, or thought it an asset to the story at hand.

Not that I am any expert on Barry's book... does anyone recall other examples of his ability to heal fast? \(geek\)


Wasn't there a guy called Savitor, who was like the top person with speedforce, and was shown able to be faster than the Flash, and had really rapid healing factor?

And the Flash should have some real ;imitations, as in needing to recharge, or unable to maintain full spped forever, or else he becomes another walking plot device!


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