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Subj: Some are, actually.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 at 12:30:30 am GMT (Viewed 371 times)
Reply Subj: Why are people against Wally being black and not Iris being black?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 at 04:52:48 pm GMT (Viewed 8 times)

    I thought it would be obvious that Wally was black when Wally is related to Iris (now we know that Wally is her brother in the show). I think some diversity is needed, if only because there's diversity out there and these shows should reflect that diversity. Barry is from the Silver Age. There's very little diversity in the silver age. So why not recast someone of color in a heroic role?

I am against Iris being black for the same reasons I'm against any black actor playing a white character and vice versa. If the original source material (the comics, in this case) has a white character like Iris West (or Wally West) being played by a black actor, an Asian actor, a Mexican actor, etc, it violates the original source material. That's why I was against Tom Hardy as Bane, he was of the wrong ethnicity, that's why I'm against Ezra Miller as Barry Allen because Barry isn't Asian, that's why I was against Johnny Depp playing an Indian because he's not an Indian despite being adopted into an Indian tribe, the list goes on.

On the other side of the coin, could you imagine the Black Panther being played by a white man as well as the entire country of Wakanda? I can't and I certainly would be against that. Black Panther is black, not white. Why? Because T'Challa is black according to the original source material. And that is something that should NOT be broken on a whim like this.

I'm fine with diversity, it can be a good thing if used right but a bad thing if it's abused. If these shows want black characters, bring them up I say. However, there is NO need to change the ethnic background of some characters who have been white for decades or longer simply because diversity is needed. Want diversity? Then create a new character, it's not that hard. Changing a character's race is taking the easy way out because the background, Powers (if any) family members, character history, etc, are already there and no one has to spend time working on those things. But with a newly created character, someone has to sit down and actually work on everything about that character. For someone who loves creating characters, it can be a very fun exercise and worth while (I have experience in this, so I know what I'm talking about). But for someone who doesn't want to create an original character won't like the process and for them it'll be hard work.

There are plenty of black characters in the comics that are sitting un-used at DC comics when it comes to Live Action. John Henry Irons AKA Steel, Black Lightning, Static Shock, John Stewart, just to name a few and yet not one of them has made a live-action appearance aside from Steel. These showrunners wanting black characters can dig from those characters not being used and yet they never do. THey would rather change the ethnic background of some of our favorite characters instead and I, for one, will ALWAYS be against that because it's completely unnecessary. Period.

So, when the showrunners have a black man (or woman) playing a character who is white in the comics, it violates the original source material. And that is something that should never be done because it's not making me think the character has leaped out of the pages of a comic.

Can you imagine Abraham Lincoln being played by an Asian man? Or perhaps JFK being played by a black man or maybe George Washington being played by a Mexican? I can't. And yet we love staying true to historic people with movies based on them and yet we treat comic shows and movies so loosely? Why? Why can't these showrunners show the same dedication to making their movies and shows just as important as casting actors who at least TRY to resemble historical people? Some rules need to be clearly established here.

If I offended anyone with this post or any post I've done concerning this issue, I apologize.

It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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