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Subj: Re: FLASH Season 2 Ep 18
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 07:38:22 am BST (Viewed 2 times)
Reply Subj: Re: FLASH Season 2 Ep 18
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 07:19:54 am BST (Viewed 330 times)

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    End of episode.



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    So "Jay" was a time remnant of ZOOM.....interesting, yet if he really is a PAST version of ZOOM, then shouldn't killing him have negated ZOOM?

Even by this shows standards that is impossible - look to Eddie Thawne for a loose precedent. Thinking on it though we have seen when Barry travels to his past he has somehow replaced/overwritten his past self in the timeline, but what Zoom claims to have done is fished out his past self and brought him forward in time... to preetend to be Jay Garrick? Curious that this past-self appears to have no evil impulses as Zoom has then.

I am skeptical any of this is the truth. It is too far fetched and illogical, even for this show.


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    We still do not know for sure who the man in the iron mask is, but if it isn't Jay...well that would be a disappointment.

I don't see who else it could be, who could carry the shock value and remain logical within the context of the storyline. As with Zoom's secret the writers have played it loose for the series in such a way that a last minute decision to change the reveal is optional. I hope they don't deviate from their original candidate as that would be a cheat to the audience and probobly work to undermine the storyline.


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    ZOOM can sense when portals are opened but can't seem to open them.



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    ZOOM also states he isn't fast enough to leave a speed image behind yet he could time warp to past version of himself????

It might be something that depends on the context. Though given Zoom is surely faster than Reverse-Flash, who did just this, and Barry, who did it against Doctor Light. Perhaps the point is that a speedster can only do this trick for a brief time, not the hours that 'Jay' waas present.
Really this whole reveal misses the obvious easy option of Zoom himself simply hiding as 'Jay' to infiltrate Team-Flash in favour of something so convoluted as to be near nonsense...


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    So anyone else think that Barry's powering down is temporary? he's been charged with speed force and tachyons and they recharged him back in season 1 when he was drained. Or are we going to get the drama of them trying to steal it back from ZOOM?

I expect the latter, it makes for better drama and shows Barry was too reliant on the tachyon boost, when he should have relied on his own grit and ingenuity to defeat the superior foe. Being powerless will allow him to redeem himself on this front and teach him the lesson that all he needs is Barry Allen, not super-speed.



Well I think Barry does need the tachyon device for the moment so that he can match and exceed ZOOM.  However the device may also cause a permanent boost to Barry so that he can achieve greater feats of speed without it.

IN the comics and cartoons of yesteryear Barry Allen has been able to traverse time and dimensions on his own so the tachyons may cause a permanent upgrade to his powers.

Also at the end of this ep I think the tachyon device is still in Barry's costume, so even IF the speed force is gone from him at the moment it could recharge him.

As to ZOOM's explanations of things.....well it does seem pretty shaky. I suspect even Doctor Who would be shaking his head at what ZOOM had to say about plucking a version of himself from the past and then killing it.

As to Barry, when he has time warped the first couple of times it was to go back a day to change things so there wouldn't be two Barry's as he was overwriting his past self.  When he timewarped in this season to get help from RF (which was a brave and stupid decision), it was a deliberate attempt to time warp and he meant to keep his past self out of the way and not overwrite him.  We all know how well that plan worked....

However to take one's past self into the present/future with you, that is a BAD idea all around. The paradox effect cannot be denied and if the past self perishes, then the other version should be negated too. 

However the version that pretended to be Jay did have evil impulses as he went along with his future self's plan, lied about his Earth 1 counterpart, and even agreed to be murdered by his future self to carry on the plan.

What has me curious though is how ZOOM's eyes went dark and his voice changed.....he is a sociopath, but is he multiple personalities too or is he possessed? Or is he just over the cuckoo's nest?

Now here's a question, in all the Earth 2 flashbacks when "Jay" would argue with Wells2 about ZOOM, it was apparently Hunter/ZOOM......so know one knew what Flash of earth 2 looked like and thus Hunter was able to capture and replace Jay as Flash of Earth 2?  Flash of Earth 2 doesn't wear a mask and when standing still he can be photographed so no one has a pic of him on file somewhere thus preventing ZOOM from taking his place? Or is there some face stealing tech involved, hence the iron mask?

Over all, so far the whole thing with ZOOM has been a bit convoluted compared to Season 1 with RF being Wells.  it was pretty much right in everyone's face when Season 1 started that Wells was RF but the characters had to go through the motions to learn about RF.  With ZOOM however it has gone from pretty well written obfuscation to now becoming a train wreck. here's hoping the last episodes tighten up the plot a bit and clear some things up.



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