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Knight

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Iron Man Unit 007

Subj: Re: Time Travel, Paradoxes and the Reverse Flash
Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 at 04:05:19 pm BST (Viewed 491 times)
Reply Subj: Time Travel, Paradoxes and the Reverse Flash
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 at 02:41:08 am BST (Viewed 5 times)

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RF began making paradoxes the instant he got his powers as he was fulfilling history by becoming the Reverse Flash, time traveling nemesis of the Flash.

The whole saga of Flash vs Reverse Flash can be called a moebius strip, or predestined paradox.

Now this whole thing about RF showing up in Season 2, yes Eddie is dead and thus RF is erased. However the singularity/time storm was aborted and destroyed by Flash and Firestorm/Ronnie. Thus I suspect that not all temporal changes that SHOULD have occurred did occur. Also there have been other time travel stories where time travelers still exist despite timeline changes and/or retaining their memories of what time used to be like.

Rememeber the excellent 90's X-men cartoon? Bishop goes back in Season 1 to save Senator Kelly. In Season 2 we learn that the future still turns out bad because of a plague that was unleashed. Forge doesn't remember about the assassination of Kelly since it never happened and that unlike Bishop who was outside of time, Forge's memories would have changed accordingly. Also he didn't know of the X-men which angered Bishop who told him to send him back again. With the aid of Cable, the futures are saved and Bishop returns to find the assassination was indeed stopped and Forge knew nothing of a plague. in an odd error however in all those scenes with them, Wolverine's skeleton was preserved in a tube of fluid despite in one of the scenes the X-men had never existed, etc etc. We'll call that animation error.

So for RF to still exist and appear in Season 2, well by rights it shouldn't have happened but by being outside of time traveling in the speed force he wouldn't be erased. As soon as he emerged from time however the erasure affect should have happened but the temporal ripples created by Eddie's death were either stopped with the time storm/singularity or they are slowly moving through time, similar to Back to the Future 2 when old Biff returned to the future and then started to convulse and collapse as the time changes were starting with him first then all of reality.

Also there is the fact that time happens and major historical events that have happened, must continue to happen and that due to the time paradox of RF existing despite Eddie's death means that RF was still meant to go back and make his attempt on kid Barry then have to recreate the Flash.

Now Barry has made yet another paradox in his attempt to fix things. He has undone Season 1 as we see his Season 1 self fade away. However Barry in his selfishness and grief has affected over 15 years of time. It is one thing to go back and revise 24 hours worth of time, that is an overall MINOR thing that can still have some bad effects. But 15 years....


.....both Doctor Emmet Brown and Doctor Who should take Barry aside and take turns lecturing him on time travel, temporal mechanics and paradoxes while also taking turns beating the stupid out of him.


And as soon as Reverse Flash emerged from that protective "Speed Force", he would pop out of existence. "Maybe time had to catch up with him!" Is perhaps a good excuse, but we should have at least seen Thawne die from being erased from time yet again but we didn't.

Reverse Flash shouldn't exist. Period.






It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?