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Subj: Re: disgusting
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 03:16:19 am EST
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 12:37:43 am EST

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it's way, way, way too much.

when I first got seriously into comics I got into new warriors (series 1) as my favorite comic. I followed it for 30 issues too (then didn't have a ride to the comic shop for a few years as my brother went off to college). Of the warriors (and I like all the original 6) Speedball was my favorite. He was a fun loving jokester with a penchant for rambling and powers that seemed laughable at first but really had alot of untapped potential.

Civil War Frontline has left me disgusted at Robbie's treatment with every issue. When I first saw the Stamford incident I deeply hoped Robbie was alive, now I wish they did kill him. After all dead heros are sure to pop up in a comic within a year or two. This twisted mockery Robbie is becoming is a fate worse than death. They killed the character without having a corpse.

I watched in horror and disguat as each issue of frontline introduced more and more severe ways to torture speedball. first his body (blowing him up, having him beaten in jail, having him shot, imprisoning him without letting him heal, etc.) then his mind (making him a masochist). It's disgusting. It's worse than killing my favorite character, it is a drawn out and painful distruction of one of my favorites that shows that the true masochistr is NOT Robbie but the people writing frontine. It's not often that marvel kills a hero, but they found a way to do it without leaving a corpse. Every beating of speedball represents the beating of fun out of marvel as a whole. And as speedball represented the heroic fun of ols marvel, penance represents the love of pain and torture of new marvel. If things don't pick up and be happy and heroic again after civil war ends I know I will drop alot of the marvel titles I get.

> it's way, way, way too much.
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> when I first got seriously into comics I got into new warriors (series 1) as my favorite comic. I followed it for 30 issues too (then didn't have a ride to the comic shop for a few years as my brother went off to college). Of the warriors (and I like all the original 6) Speedball was my favorite. He was a fun loving jokester with a penchant for rambling and powers that seemed laughable at first but really had alot of untapped potential.
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> Civil War Frontline has left me disgusted at Robbie's treatment with every issue. When I first saw the Stamford incident I deeply hoped Robbie was alive, now I wish they did kill him. After all dead heros are sure to pop up in a comic within a year or two. This twisted mockery Robbie is becoming is a fate worse than death. They killed the character without having a corpse.
>
> I watched in horror and disguat as each issue of frontline introduced more and more severe ways to torture speedball. first his body (blowing him up, having him beaten in jail, having him shot, imprisoning him without letting him heal, etc.) then his mind (making him a masochist). It's disgusting. It's worse than killing my favorite character, it is a drawn out and painful distruction of one of my favorites that shows that the true masochistr is NOT Robbie but the people writing frontine. It's not often that marvel kills a hero, but they found a way to do it without leaving a corpse. Every beating of speedball represents the beating of fun out of marvel as a whole. And as speedball represented the heroic fun of ols marvel, penance represents the love of pain and torture of new marvel. If things don't pick up and be happy and heroic again after civil war ends I know I will drop alot of the marvel titles I get.

See I differ slightly here. I don't mind a comic book character being tortured a bit if there's an endpoint to it which produces something positive. I could have dealt with a new more serious Speedball who had gone through some rough times and come out strong and inspiring.

Maybe the time really was past for his "jokester" personality. But the S&M junkie they've left us with is broken and uninspiring. There was a middle ground--a way to show that adversity forged him into something better. Not something worse.

Marvel screwed up majorly, disgustingly, and I hope the fans collectively rise up and slam them big time for this. I get that some people perceive that the old Marvel was about fun and the new one is about pain. But I think its even more accurate to say that the old Marvel was about HEROISM and the new one is simply an endless shock and awe campaign. While its true comics have always been sensational, there's traditionally been a moral underpinning to it and that's often gone from current Marvel. Penance is just the latest, and most disgusting, example.

Write letters to Joe Q. Tell him how disgusted you are. Maybe a mountain of emails might actually make him listen.


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