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Omar Karindu

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Bucky

Subj: I'm in total agreement with you here. *nnt* CW6 and Frontline #10 [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 09:07:28 am EST
Reply Subj: Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 07:55:03 pm EST

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Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 spoilers

Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 spoilers

Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 spoilers

Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 spoilers

Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 spoilers




> We Open with the improbable scene of Ms Marvel providing Sally with some compromising information - intercut scenes of their meeting along with a scene at Pro-Reg's hq show that Iron Man has told Reed that there's a traitor (possibly who it is), and he also lets everyone else on the team know, with the exception of who the traitor actually is. This pisses off Hank Pym greatly.


Which implies Hank is the traitor at this point in time - and which further implies Tony knew it before the events of Civil War #6. Yet in that issue Tony seemed surprised at the revelation.

Makes no sense. Unless Tony was only pretending to be surprised. But why would he pretend?


> Back to Ms Marvel and Sally, Ms Marvel has handed Sally a piece of paper with some as-yet-unrevealed info on it, we do know she has told Sally that the Goblin's nanites have been tampered with, proving there is a traitor on the pro-reg side. Sally is also told only Stark knows who the traitor is.


Ms. Marvel gives information to a reporter. Doesn't that imply that Ms. Marvel is a traitor?


> Sally stares at the paper ms Marvel has given her after Ms Marvel flies away and says "...surely it cant be that simple."


Ooh. Mysterious. Trouble is, mysteries stop being fun when the storytelling becomes clumsy. And the storytelling has been clumsy from the first panel of the first page of the first issue.

McNiven's beautiful art is the only thing saving this fiasco.


> Ben Urich arranges a meeting with Sally by phone to compare notes. Before he goes to the meeting he stops by the Bugle to quit, citing that he has a story so big it could never be published. JJJ shakes his hand and lets him go without chastising him.


Yup. Of course. Reporter says, "I have a huge story," and Jonah says, "Cool. See ya."

Right.

Do these writers have any familiary with human behavior?


> A quick interlude shows a tv news reporter mentioning Atlantean forces are converging just outside of a new 75 mile total exclusion zone.


What's a "total exclusion zone"?


> He mentions one minority senate oppositions leader blames Stark and his influence on Congress for rising tensions with Atlantis. Reed tells Tony to stay the course.


Why is Namor feeling hostile? He seemed pretty calm and neutral in Civil War #6.


> Sally shows Ben the paper and he tells her that it has confirmed his suspicions about Stark. He had come up with the exact same conclusions himself.
> This part of the story ends with Ben telling Sally he thinks he knows the real reasons behind the Civil War.


Oh great. Whatever it is, it will be wildly out of character for all concerned - or else it will be a cop-out.


> He burns the Speedball costume and meets with some shady costume manufacturer who has created a new costume for Robbie to wear. It's basically a torture-chamber for the wearer, with spikes that penetrate the wearers skin, all meant inflict pain upon him. The most pertinent details of the suit are that there is one spike for each victim of Stamford, 60 of those placed in the most painful spots for Robbie (to represent the 60 kids killed in the disaster). 2 added spikes in the gloves of the suit that represent the 2 responders killed when they discovered Speady in Upstate New York after the disaster (they are to represent blood on his hands). Speedy is now Penance.


That is repugnant. The Ghouls are being fed. Entropy, nihilism, degradation. "Yum," say the Ghouls.

Sick. And not in a good way. Utterly devoid of any aesthetic value. Shameful. Disgraceful. Pathetic.


Bucky


> Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 spoilers
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> Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 spoilers
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> Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 spoilers
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> Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 spoilers
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> Civil War 6 spoilers PLUS Front Line 10 spoilers
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> > We Open with the improbable scene of Ms Marvel providing Sally with some compromising information - intercut scenes of their meeting along with a scene at Pro-Reg's hq show that Iron Man has told Reed that there's a traitor (possibly who it is), and he also lets everyone else on the team know, with the exception of who the traitor actually is. This pisses off Hank Pym greatly.
>
>
> Which implies Hank is the traitor at this point in time - and which further implies Tony knew it before the events of Civil War #6. Yet in that issue Tony seemed surprised at the revelation.
>
> Makes no sense. Unless Tony was only pretending to be surprised. But why would he pretend?
>
>
> > Back to Ms Marvel and Sally, Ms Marvel has handed Sally a piece of paper with some as-yet-unrevealed info on it, we do know she has told Sally that the Goblin's nanites have been tampered with, proving there is a traitor on the pro-reg side. Sally is also told only Stark knows who the traitor is.
>
>
> Ms. Marvel gives information to a reporter. Doesn't that imply that Ms. Marvel is a traitor?
>
>
> > Sally stares at the paper ms Marvel has given her after Ms Marvel flies away and says "...surely it cant be that simple."
>
>
> Ooh. Mysterious. Trouble is, mysteries stop being fun when the storytelling becomes clumsy. And the storytelling has been clumsy from the first panel of the first page of the first issue.
>
> McNiven's beautiful art is the only thing saving this fiasco.
>
>
> > Ben Urich arranges a meeting with Sally by phone to compare notes. Before he goes to the meeting he stops by the Bugle to quit, citing that he has a story so big it could never be published. JJJ shakes his hand and lets him go without chastising him.
>
>
> Yup. Of course. Reporter says, "I have a huge story," and Jonah says, "Cool. See ya."
>
> Right.
>
> Do these writers have any familiary with human behavior?
>
>
> > A quick interlude shows a tv news reporter mentioning Atlantean forces are converging just outside of a new 75 mile total exclusion zone.
>
>
> What's a "total exclusion zone"?
>
>
> > He mentions one minority senate oppositions leader blames Stark and his influence on Congress for rising tensions with Atlantis. Reed tells Tony to stay the course.
>
>
> Why is Namor feeling hostile? He seemed pretty calm and neutral in Civil War #6.
>
>
> > Sally shows Ben the paper and he tells her that it has confirmed his suspicions about Stark. He had come up with the exact same conclusions himself.
> > This part of the story ends with Ben telling Sally he thinks he knows the real reasons behind the Civil War.
>
>
> Oh great. Whatever it is, it will be wildly out of character for all concerned - or else it will be a cop-out.
>
>
> > He burns the Speedball costume and meets with some shady costume manufacturer who has created a new costume for Robbie to wear. It's basically a torture-chamber for the wearer, with spikes that penetrate the wearers skin, all meant inflict pain upon him. The most pertinent details of the suit are that there is one spike for each victim of Stamford, 60 of those placed in the most painful spots for Robbie (to represent the 60 kids killed in the disaster). 2 added spikes in the gloves of the suit that represent the 2 responders killed when they discovered Speady in Upstate New York after the disaster (they are to represent blood on his hands). Speedy is now Penance.
>
>
> That is repugnant. The Ghouls are being fed. Entropy, nihilism, degradation. "Yum," say the Ghouls.
>
> Sick. And not in a good way. Utterly devoid of any aesthetic value. Shameful. Disgraceful. Pathetic.
>
>
> Bucky
>

- Omar Karindu

"Brubaker and Phillips' CRIMINAL #1...is really ****ing good. I mean, REALLY ****ing good." -- Warren Ellis

"Brilliant. Another winner. Ed's at the top of his game and Sean's inventing new games to be on top of...I can't wait for more." -- Kurt Busiek

Read CRIMINAL by Brubaker and Phillips. Because it's that good.


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