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Spidey2099

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Raz

Subj: Spider-Girl hasn't been darkened yet and is still fun!.. But other then that one nt*
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 09:19:36 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: Dear God - Civil War Frontline #10 - Penance - [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 09:02:24 pm EST

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> >and meets with some shady costume manufacturer who has created a new costume for Robbie to wear. It's basically a torture-chamber for the wearer, with spikes that penetrate the wearers skin, all meant inflict pain upon him. The most pertinent details of the suit are that there is one spike for each victim of Stamford, 60 of those placed in the most painful spots for Robbie (to represent the 60 kids killed in the disaster). 2 added spikes in the gloves of the suit that represent the 2 responders killed when they discovered Spedy in Upstate New York after the disater (they are to represent blood on his hands). Speedy is now Penance.
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> I've just read and re-read that paragraph and find it quite hard to express my disgust at the concept (No offence Fiasco, not your fault). Leaving to one side the fact he's NOT responsible for the deaths, the idea of a heroic kid with a good track record, an interestingly different power and a pleasantly laid back personality, becoming, and this is the tricky part, a functional masochist, is pretty much nauseating. This we needed?

I'm really turned off by this as well, on two levels. I don't understand why there's no room in comics for FUN anymore. DC has been screwing their characters over for the past few years with their abuse of Superboy, Sue Dibny, Impulse, ALL of the Max Lord JLA etc...Marvel's been doing it with the gleeful child killing in CW and New X-Men, and now Speedball as well? I get that there's an audience for dark twisted stuff, I don't have an issue with that...and maybe as much as I like the old fun superhero stuff that I grew up with there's no market for it at the moment. I can understand they're a business and they can't endlessly cater for nostalgia. But it bugs me that there seems to be this malicious streak in comics at the moment where if something IS fun or light-hearted, let's rape it to death and desecrate its grave! If Speedball isn't grim and gritty enough for comics today, then leave him in limbo and go create a new character who is..

On a deeper level, the idea that there is a character now who is basically practicing glorified self-mutilation as his schtick REALLY bothers me. I can't help but feel this kind of thing is going to be a trigger for kids who hurt themselves. If I had kids I would not want them reading this at all.

> > >and meets with some shady costume manufacturer who has created a new costume for Robbie to wear. It's basically a torture-chamber for the wearer, with spikes that penetrate the wearers skin, all meant inflict pain upon him. The most pertinent details of the suit are that there is one spike for each victim of Stamford, 60 of those placed in the most painful spots for Robbie (to represent the 60 kids killed in the disaster). 2 added spikes in the gloves of the suit that represent the 2 responders killed when they discovered Spedy in Upstate New York after the disater (they are to represent blood on his hands). Speedy is now Penance.
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> > I've just read and re-read that paragraph and find it quite hard to express my disgust at the concept (No offence Fiasco, not your fault). Leaving to one side the fact he's NOT responsible for the deaths, the idea of a heroic kid with a good track record, an interestingly different power and a pleasantly laid back personality, becoming, and this is the tricky part, a functional masochist, is pretty much nauseating. This we needed?
>
> I'm really turned off by this as well, on two levels. I don't understand why there's no room in comics for FUN anymore. DC has been screwing their characters over for the past few years with their abuse of Superboy, Sue Dibny, Impulse, ALL of the Max Lord JLA etc...Marvel's been doing it with the gleeful child killing in CW and New X-Men, and now Speedball as well? I get that there's an audience for dark twisted stuff, I don't have an issue with that...and maybe as much as I like the old fun superhero stuff that I grew up with there's no market for it at the moment. I can understand they're a business and they can't endlessly cater for nostalgia. But it bugs me that there seems to be this malicious streak in comics at the moment where if something IS fun or light-hearted, let's rape it to death and desecrate its grave! If Speedball isn't grim and gritty enough for comics today, then leave him in limbo and go create a new character who is..
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> On a deeper level, the idea that there is a character now who is basically practicing glorified self-mutilation as his schtick REALLY bothers me. I can't help but feel this kind of thing is going to be a trigger for kids who hurt themselves. If I had kids I would not want them reading this at all.


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