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MichaelRGrimm

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Bucky

Subj: Re: Civil War#6 musings......SPOILERS
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 11:18:53 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: Civil War#6 musings......SPOILERS
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 03:31:00 am EST

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> One thing on McNivens art. I keep hearing the artwork is the reason for the delay in the series. Any concrete reasons why? (If this has been covered on the board I have not been lucky enough to catch it). The art was great in the book, but I saw nothing so complicated as to explain why the book has been delayed again. I get the impression they are asking him to redo pages to fit a reworking of the original planned story.


I really think McNiven is taking his art to its ultimate pinnacle in this comic. That apparently means he can't do a full issue in a month. I personally doubt there's anything more to it than that. The answer was to provide more lead time up front but that's water under the bridge at this point.

The TPB will be exquisite, no question. Every single panel is a mini masterpiece. Which is the only saving grace of the series, since the writing is amateurish at best.


> > Meanwhile, one of my favorite heroes was treated with utter contempt. I'm speaking of the Punisher. Are Millar and Ennis feuding or something? Or does Millar simply fail to "get" the Punisher? I mean, for God's sake, two villains show up, and he shoots them by reflex? No calculation, no analysis, just lifts his guns and pulls the triggers? Come on. He doesn't behave like that. He's not a mad dog. He's not insane. Unless we think Galactus is insane. Or Dracula.
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> I think Millar really fails to "get" any of the long established heroes of the 616 universe. Been the real curse of this series.


Agreed. Characterization has been well below fanfic level. And I mean exactly what I said. Well below fanfic level. It doesn't even qualify as talented amateur adult level. The characterization is third grade beginner level. Any adult could do it better. Any high school kid could do it better. Any middle schooler could do it better.

Here's a fun experiment. The part where Cap and the Falcon are explaining the layout of 42. Did you even notice the Falcon had a word baloon in that? You can only tell by looking where the baloon points. The speech patterns of Cap and the Falcon are rendered as utterly identical. Yet it's not a letterer error because the panel is clearly drawn to indicate the Falcon is the speaker. Any high school kid would have realized the speech pattern should shift at least slightly. It's Characterization 101 for God's sake. Except "101" implies college level and I maintain this basic stuff is "grammar school obvious."


Bucky


> > One thing on McNivens art. I keep hearing the artwork is the reason for the delay in the series. Any concrete reasons why? (If this has been covered on the board I have not been lucky enough to catch it). The art was great in the book, but I saw nothing so complicated as to explain why the book has been delayed again. I get the impression they are asking him to redo pages to fit a reworking of the original planned story.
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> I really think McNiven is taking his art to its ultimate pinnacle in this comic. That apparently means he can't do a full issue in a month. I personally doubt there's anything more to it than that. The answer was to provide more lead time up front but that's water under the bridge at this point.
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> The TPB will be exquisite, no question. Every single panel is a mini masterpiece. Which is the only saving grace of the series, since the writing is amateurish at best.
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> > > Meanwhile, one of my favorite heroes was treated with utter contempt. I'm speaking of the Punisher. Are Millar and Ennis feuding or something? Or does Millar simply fail to "get" the Punisher? I mean, for God's sake, two villains show up, and he shoots them by reflex? No calculation, no analysis, just lifts his guns and pulls the triggers? Come on. He doesn't behave like that. He's not a mad dog. He's not insane. Unless we think Galactus is insane. Or Dracula.
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> > I think Millar really fails to "get" any of the long established heroes of the 616 universe. Been the real curse of this series.
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> Agreed. Characterization has been well below fanfic level. And I mean exactly what I said. Well below fanfic level. It doesn't even qualify as talented amateur adult level. The characterization is third grade beginner level. Any adult could do it better. Any high school kid could do it better. Any middle schooler could do it better.
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> Here's a fun experiment. The part where Cap and the Falcon are explaining the layout of 42. Did you even notice the Falcon had a word baloon in that? You can only tell by looking where the baloon points. The speech patterns of Cap and the Falcon are rendered as utterly identical. Yet it's not a letterer error because the panel is clearly drawn to indicate the Falcon is the speaker. Any high school kid would have realized the speech pattern should shift at least slightly. It's Characterization 101 for God's sake. Except "101" implies college level and I maintain this basic stuff is "grammar school obvious."

I actually did stumble across that and had to do a quick retake. Its something that has been noticeable in Mr. Fantastic, too. He sounds too much like a regular guy and is indistinguishable from the rest in his speech patterns and vocabulary. Its a huge pet peeve of mine, I guess, but it seems minor to most everyone else on the board. I've always felt the smartest man in the Marvel U should speak to reflect this. Always appreciated what Byrne did for the character as well as many other writers who have a commendable grasp of the written word.
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> Bucky
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ITS PONDERRIN' TIME


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