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J.Max

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Subj: Re: villainous heroics
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 01:43:10 pm EST
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 12:46:44 pm EST

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> Considering that villains ranging from Doctor Doom to Sandman, Luthor and Pied Piper, have actually aided the good guys from time to time against a bigger threat, you might want to reconsider that variable.
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This is an odd question, but your post has got me thinking on villains acting heroic and an odd thought entered my mind,

I have seen villains act heroic out of selfishness (ie Dr. Doom trying to stop Thanos in hopes of getting the infinity gauntlet), out of having a common enemy with the hero (hating another villain), out of trying to pose as heros to fool people (original T-bolts), and out of wanting to reform (what the T-bolts became). But an odd thought crossed my mind.

Has a villain EVER stood up to a world threatening menace motivated by the simple fact that it is his world too and he lives their. I mean think of it, the fact that only heros and not some villains stand up to galactus type threats seems a bit silly. After all in those situations it is a case of your world nearing the end and you having the power to act on it and good and evil go flying out the window in the face of survival. But whenever a world threatening menace appears it seems only heros act against it and villains usually hide, or act out of selfishness wanting the power for themselves. You'd think some guy would say "I may be a criminal, but this is my world he's messing with and I have no place else to go".

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> > Considering that villains ranging from Doctor Doom to Sandman, Luthor and Pied Piper, have actually aided the good guys from time to time against a bigger threat, you might want to reconsider that variable.
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> This is an odd question, but your post has got me thinking on villains acting heroic and an odd thought entered my mind,
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> I have seen villains act heroic out of selfishness (ie Dr. Doom trying to stop Thanos in hopes of getting the infinity gauntlet), out of having a common enemy with the hero (hating another villain), out of trying to pose as heros to fool people (original T-bolts), and out of wanting to reform (what the T-bolts became). But an odd thought crossed my mind.
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> Has a villain EVER stood up to a world threatening menace motivated by the simple fact that it is his world too and he lives their. I mean think of it, the fact that only heros and not some villains stand up to galactus type threats seems a bit silly. After all in those situations it is a case of your world nearing the end and you having the power to act on it and good and evil go flying out the window in the face of survival. But whenever a world threatening menace appears it seems only heros act against it and villains usually hide, or act out of selfishness wanting the power for themselves. You'd think some guy would say "I may be a criminal, but this is my world he's messing with and I have no place else to go".

Yes, I can think of a few times:

-Luthor during "Final Night."

-Thanos has stood up to both Galactus (in his own series) and Annihilus (in Annihilation). In Annihilation, his motives were slightly suspect because I don't think that he liked that Annihilus was becoming Death's favorite, but he also didn't want to see his universe destroyed.

-There was actually a villain army in the original Crisis on Infinite Earths that was eventually betrayed by Braniac and Luthor, but prior to that, they were attempting to defeat the Anti-Monitor.

-Galactus has fought a rather nasty monster (with Thanos) called Hunger to save the universe from being eaten.

-There have been several examples in "Annihilation": Super-Skrull, Ronan the Accuser, Gamora, etc.

-Molecule Man fought the Beyonder directly a few times during Secret Wars II. Don't know if this counts because MM was really a good guy by this point.

-Magneto has actually done this several times. I believe that he helped against Apocalypse and the Brood.

-In the MC2 "Last Planet Standing", all of the villains of that world tried to stop Galactus as well as the heroes.

-And of course, there are several "tweener" characters like Punisher and Black Adam who have helped save the world many times over.


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