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Omar Karindu

Subj: Re: Mark Millar and Steve McNiven CW Commentary in latest Wizard Magazine [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 02:54:39 pm EDT (Viewed 2 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Mark Millar and Steve McNiven CW Commentary in latest Wizard Magazine [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 01:25:41 pm EDT (Viewed 2 times)

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> > -- Lots of disbelief on Millar's part about how Iron Man is viewed as a bad guy. He discusses the Cap/IM meeting in issue 3, and makes a point that Cap throws the first punch (which is an untruth, because Tony took down two of Cap's men first). He seems to think that Iron Man's comprimising with the government is somehow a justifiable position. Given Millar's political statements in previous interviews, it seems odd that he'd take Tony's side.
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> It should be noted here, though, that Tony was mostly demonized in the Civil War-related crossovers, not in the main book Millar wrote. I started a ruckus here some time ago when I pointed out that Tony's position in the overall story was entirely defensible from the standpoint of realpolitik. Some of his methods, and the astonishing hubris on display (meant to reflect that of the neo-cons in the Bush administration) were the things to which people really objected.

Except that when Millar is running around expressing his bafflement that Tony was considered wrong by many readers, it also suggests that he has no problem with the sort of hubris displayed and methodology employed. And that doesn't really make me sympathetic to any of his points; he seems as if he'd be quite happy with an "any and all measures" approach. And I'd say that history generally doesn't reflect well on that attitude.

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>>> -- Lots of disbelief on Millar's part about how Iron Man is viewed as a bad guy. He discusses the Cap/IM meeting in issue 3, and makes a point that Cap throws the first punch (which is an untruth, because Tony took down two of Cap's men first). He seems to think that Iron Man's comprimising with the government is somehow a justifiable position. Given Millar's political statements in previous interviews, it seems odd that he'd take Tony's side.
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>> It should be noted here, though, that Tony was mostly demonized in the Civil War-related crossovers, not in the main book Millar wrote. I started a ruckus here some time ago when I pointed out that Tony's position in the overall story was entirely defensible from the standpoint of realpolitik. Some of his methods, and the astonishing hubris on display (meant to reflect that of the neo-cons in the Bush administration) were the things to which people really objected.
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> Except that when Millar is running around expressing his bafflement that Tony was considered wrong by many readers, it also suggests that he has no problem with the sort of hubris displayed and methodology employed.

But, again, that was mostly written into the storyline by the other writers, not by Millar himself. Read the main CIVIL WAR mini. Tony screws up some things, a lot of them badly, but the extreme elements I was discussing came almost entirely from the other books involved in the storyline. In Millar's original proposal for CIVIL WAR, Tony (and everyone else) had much stronger motivations for what they were doing. The more extreme hubristic element was created as a fall-back position after much of that material was stripped away during the preproduction process. (I liked CIVIL WAR, but I was extremely disappointed at some of the initial ideas that were dropped along the way--they would have made it a lot stronger story).


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