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Spiffy

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Fred

Subj: Re: End Of The Spider-Ghetto?
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 04:36:48 pm EDT
Reply Subj: End Of The Spider-Ghetto?
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 03:24:58 pm EDT

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You know what? For a flagship title, Spider-Man the character just wasn't very important to the Marvel Universe in general pre-New Avengers. Amazing Spider-Man and the various spin-offs through the years may be bread and butter for Marvel in the same way a Romance Section alone can keep a bookstore afloat but he wasn't very integrated into the Marvel Universe as a whole. I started thinking of Spider-Man's place for the first thirty-some years while walking out of Atomic Comics a while back and realized he's been pretty much confined to the Spider-Ghetto.
Think about it. As much as anyone might enjoy the character (and I have even through the years that I never bought any Spider-Title) there wasn't a lot of cause and effect between his books and anyone else's. Sure, thanks to Marvel Team-Up there's a lot of characters that have fought alongside Peter Parker but no one really close. Or if they were close to him, like Daredevil, it was only in a Spider-Title that the relationship existed. That all began to change with New Avengers #1.
Now we see Spider-Man developing lasting relationships between himself and the other team members. He moved into Avengers Tower. Heck, Tony Stark even became a bit of a father figure for Peter and these are all things that wouldn't be possible if he weren't on the Avengers lineup now. And you know what? I like the changes!
Also, with the other Spider-Titles about to be folded into a thrice weekly Amazing Spider-Man it looks like the Spider-Ghetto might be a thing of the past and I say good riddance! I didn't even realize it was bothering me that Spidey wasn't a major player inside the MU until that day walking out of Atomic Comics but it sure is sweet that he is one now!
Of course, that still leaves the Defenders Ghetto and the X-Ghetto to tear down but one step at a time, deal?
Oh, and an afterthought: I look at the Marvel Universe being an Avengers World with the ghettos as adjuncts but there's one title I can't place: The Fantastic Four. They are definitely separate from the Avengers titles but not so disconnected as to be considered ghettoized. Any thoughts?

> You know what? For a flagship title, Spider-Man the character just wasn't very important to the Marvel Universe in general pre-New Avengers. Amazing Spider-Man and the various spin-offs through the years may be bread and butter for Marvel in the same way a Romance Section alone can keep a bookstore afloat but he wasn't very integrated into the Marvel Universe as a whole. I started thinking of Spider-Man's place for the first thirty-some years while walking out of Atomic Comics a while back and realized he's been pretty much confined to the Spider-Ghetto.
> Think about it. As much as anyone might enjoy the character (and I have even through the years that I never bought any Spider-Title) there wasn't a lot of cause and effect between his books and anyone else's. Sure, thanks to Marvel Team-Up there's a lot of characters that have fought alongside Peter Parker but no one really close. Or if they were close to him, like Daredevil, it was only in a Spider-Title that the relationship existed. That all began to change with New Avengers #1.
> Now we see Spider-Man developing lasting relationships between himself and the other team members. He moved into Avengers Tower. Heck, Tony Stark even became a bit of a father figure for Peter and these are all things that wouldn't be possible if he weren't on the Avengers lineup now. And you know what? I like the changes!
> Also, with the other Spider-Titles about to be folded into a thrice weekly Amazing Spider-Man it looks like the Spider-Ghetto might be a thing of the past and I say good riddance! I didn't even realize it was bothering me that Spidey wasn't a major player inside the MU until that day walking out of Atomic Comics but it sure is sweet that he is one now!
> Of course, that still leaves the Defenders Ghetto and the X-Ghetto to tear down but one step at a time, deal?
> Oh, and an afterthought: I look at the Marvel Universe being an Avengers World with the ghettos as adjuncts but there's one title I can't place: The Fantastic Four. They are definitely separate from the Avengers titles but not so disconnected as to be considered ghettoized. Any thoughts?

I couldn't disagree more. Spider-Man being isolated from all that nonsense was what made him special to read, not anything that held the title back.

You say yourself you weren't a Spider-book reader. And I think that says everything. I won't criticize your taste or choices, because those things are individual and its perfectly fine to have other tastes. But from the perspective of people who ARE big Spidey fans, I'm pretty sure that while we enjoyed the occasional team up, and even occasionally Spidey having a role in SOME Marvel Mega-events, Peter's main appeal for DECADES was his attachment to real life. Which has gone out the window a lot in recent years, with him hanging out in Super-hero clubhouses with Tony Stark and company. That "ghetto" allowed Peter to have characters like Flash, Betty, Liz, JJJ, Harry, Robbie, etc. (the number of others is huge over the years) in his books, where other hero books frequently strained to have one or two "friend"/neighbor/associate characters.

As much as I HATE what I've heard about One More Day, if it DOES put Peter BACK into that so-called Spider-ghetto, at least it won't be a total waste, even if its wrecked a lot of other things and insulted our intelligence in a thousand other ways.


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