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Subj: Re: Ms. Marvel #19 Preview [SPOILERS]
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 04:05:15 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Ms. Marvel #19 Preview [SPOILERS]
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 04:42:38 pm EDT

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> > I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with the fact that I haven't read a story with the Puppet Master in a long time (since I don't buy the FF book and haven't for years). And from what I do remember of the stories I read, his motivations and actions were always similar. This is a new take on the bald-headed weirdie, and so far I like it.
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> The problem I think is that most good "new takes" explore aspects of a character which already exist, but are underdeveloped. This seems more like a total reinvention of the character--like its some Ultimate version with a totally different history and motivations.
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> I mean its just shock value at seeing a familiar villain face to do it this way. Otherwise, why not use a new character or at the very least another existing one like Purple Man who's already established as a sadist (and who already has a small hook into Ms. Marvel's past history, I think)?
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> A new take on Puppet Master would be, for example, if we learned he wasn't really Alicia's father. Or if he himself was a puppet for someone else. Or something like that. Changing his core personality doesn't really do it for me.

Agreed (though minor correction: Puppet Master isn't and to my knowledge, never was Alicia's biological father. He's her stepfather).

Barring some reveal that someone is pulling Puppet Master's strings, this story really does seem to be an exploitive story of the worst sort. The villain is meant to shock long time readers with no real payoff and the story meant to appeal to the horny fanboy with not even lip service towards plot.

> > > I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with the fact that I haven't read a story with the Puppet Master in a long time (since I don't buy the FF book and haven't for years). And from what I do remember of the stories I read, his motivations and actions were always similar. This is a new take on the bald-headed weirdie, and so far I like it.
> >
> > The problem I think is that most good "new takes" explore aspects of a character which already exist, but are underdeveloped. This seems more like a total reinvention of the character--like its some Ultimate version with a totally different history and motivations.
> >
> > I mean its just shock value at seeing a familiar villain face to do it this way. Otherwise, why not use a new character or at the very least another existing one like Purple Man who's already established as a sadist (and who already has a small hook into Ms. Marvel's past history, I think)?
> >
> > A new take on Puppet Master would be, for example, if we learned he wasn't really Alicia's father. Or if he himself was a puppet for someone else. Or something like that. Changing his core personality doesn't really do it for me.
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> Agreed (though minor correction: Puppet Master isn't and to my knowledge, never was Alicia's biological father. He's her stepfather).
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> Barring some reveal that someone is pulling Puppet Master's strings, this story really does seem to be an exploitive story of the worst sort. The villain is meant to shock long time readers with no real payoff and the story meant to appeal to the horny fanboy with not even lip service towards plot.

But isn't the whole Alicia angle played to death? How many times have they gone to that well? Puppet Master's talents and visual are too cool to retire so I'll take Brian Reed's reinvention of him gladly. Besides, Brian Reed is proving to be a pretty darn good writer so even if I dislike something I hear he's going to write, I have faith that I'll like it a lot more than expected. My bigger worry about this arc is Sleepwalker. Aside from the art in that series there wasn't a whole lot of good in Sleepwalker.


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