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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 02:34:01 pm EDT (Viewed 1 times)
Reply Subj: Responses To The Rhino Business [SPOILERS]
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:57:36 am EDT

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This is in regards to the responses below regarding the "I hate Rhino" thread (in case it drops off): Despite the fact that everyone ganged up on me and said otherwise, I did read the preview of the SHE-HULK #21 issue at the time I first saw it, and it didn't matter to me what was said in the dialogue. It didn’t matter that Slott wrote the Rhino scene to point out the things I’ve said about the use of the Rhino. The point of the thread was that I hated the Rhino. So, Dragynwulf, my complaint was justified because I was complaining about the Rhino being used yet again for the zillionth time -- it didn't matter what the Rhino was doing and saying in the issue....he was just there. There was nothing in the original thread about how much I dislike Slott's work. There were no potshots. The thread was about how much I disliked the Rhino. That’s it. It just so happened that he appeared in a Dan Slott-written book. Had the Rhino showed up in IRON MAN #22 or JIMMY CRACK CORN AND I DON’T CARE #45, I still would have complained.

In response to Dan Slott's thread:

> Nowhere in the original thread did I insult you and your work at all. I even went out of my way to say that the intent of the post wasn't about your writing.

> In case you haven't noticed, I've been trying to stop with my negative comments about your work and the work of Peter David.

> This is like one of those signs that mentions how many days have gone by without an accident in the workplace...

>...and now the number goes back down to "0".


The thread in which I mentioned I would try my hardest not to talk about you and Peter Daivd and your work in anymore threads happened several weeks ago and had been erased by the moderators, so you may not have seen it. In short, I have a mental illness (a major panic/anxiety disorder) that I am continuously battling, one I take seriously, even if no one else does. Because of this, I hate to argue and fight with people. It makes me fret in more ways than one. And because I don't like to fight with people, I keep things bottled up inside me. Years and years of doing this and never saying what is on my mind when someone annoys me was a part of what led to my problem. And I realize sometimes I harp about things that bug me often on this board, but I am very much trying to fix that. In case no one noticed, I stopped complaining about your books, Mr. Slott, and about Peter David. It just so happened that one of your books will be featuring a character I totally hate, so I posted my feelings about the matter (the fact that I hate the Rhino and keep seeing him).

>So nowhere did I even mention anything about the Bengal, nor do I even give a flying flip about what goes on with him in your title. I don't even flip through the issue anymore at the store.

> No. If you READ my post, you'll notice that I didn't SAY you mentioned Bengal in your last post. What I was pointing out was that in the PAST you made about 3 dozen ERRONEUS and very irate posts about my handling of Bengal. Even after I'd already responded to some telling you that I had cleared how-and-why Bengal was in the book with Bengal's CREATOR, Fabian Nicieza. AND that last week there was a scene in A:TI #5 that addressed ALL of it.

>It would be SO nice if like a major publication if the most VOCAL of posters had to make retractions when they were flat-out wrong.

Again, I never brought up the Bengal and never planned to again. I let the matter drop. It was you who felt the need to bring up the Bengal/AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE #5 matter, something I no longer cared about, and I guess you brought it up just to prove a point and shut me up, even though I already shut up about it. *rhe*

> So, your reply is pretty damn insulting, an unwarrented attack in my opinion, one based on the past. I have moved on, so why haven't you?

>Great job moving on. And, btw, your opinion is wrong. Because if you took the time READ the preview pages you were complaining-- you'd see that NOT EVEN the Rhino. But please, hit that note again...

My opinion is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. And I did read the preview, as I stated above, and it didn't matter to me what was said or if it was the real Rhino. Whoever he was, the character looked like the Rhino and that was that.

In any case, I said it before and I'll say it again. I'm going to try hard never to speak of the works of Dan Slott and Peter David and their writing styles. That doesn't mean I won't say something about a character being used in one of their stories (in this last case, the use of the Rhino). And that doesn't mean I won't slip up every now and again, either, it would be nice not to be raked over the coals when it happens (and this is exactly what happens). I apologize for any hurt feelings everyone has on this matter, but the point of my original thread really was meant to be about the fact I dislike the Rhino and just saw him used again, for whatever the reason.

Man, is it time to buy my new comics yet? MS. MARVEL #19, NEW WARRIORS #4, MODOK'S 11#3, BLACK CANARY WEDDING PLANNER, the new COUNTDOWN, and the GRACE/WONDER WOMAN one-shot....nothing to complain about there. \:\-\)

Many of us are completely disenchanted with the Rhino, the Green Goblin/Norman Osborn, Mr. Hyde, the Juggernaut, the Wrecking Crew, Venom, Carnage, Sabertooth, Magneto, and others due to constant overuse. I'm one of them.

It's not that I don't like these characters, but when we see them trotted out month in and month out, they lose all their appeal, especially, when has been the case under JQ, they're not used very creatively (see, for example, Austin's and Bendis' use of the Wrecking Crew/Wrecker, and the WC didn't do much that was interesting in the recent Omega Flight either).

To some of us, using the same characters endlessly seems both lazy and unimaginative.

I'd much rather see a writer take a lesser or little used character like Karnilla, Black Wing, the Brute, Maelstrom, Umar, the Faceless One, Ymir, Centurion, Halflife, the Man-Bull, Mesmero, the Hang Man, Vermin, the Vanisher, the Griffin, Quicksand, the Petrified Man, the Pirahna, the Enchantress, the original Jester, Llyra, Zaladane, the Tatterdamalion, the Unicorn, ZZAAAXXX, the Mongoose, Mr. Kline, Dragonfly, etc. and really do something with them--that is, set them front and center stage in an arc, as they deserve to be.

Marvel has a backlog of literally hundreds of such 'evil' characters, some who simply never found a creative advocate as, say, Sabertooth did.

A secondary part of this is that all too often, the villains/criminals/antagonists are just trotted out for a few panels with little if any characterization, are treated like objects of humor by obth writer and heroes, and are then thumped back into whatever degree of limbo or oblivion they currently hale from.

Personally, I have little interest in buying a book in which the Man-pae stands around cooking breakfast while wearing a bathrobe over his costume---Marvel has really sacrificed a lot for a few very cheap shots at humor.

But it's easier to come up with a silly, unfunny joke to justify an entire 22-pages than write a full-bodied, full-blooded story like we used to get.

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