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Subj: Re: Mark Millar and Steve McNiven CW Commentary in latest Wizard Magazine [SPOILERS]
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 04:29:43 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Mark Millar and Steve McNiven CW Commentary in latest Wizard Magazine [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 02:08:15 pm EDT

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> -- Lots of disbelief on Millar's part about how Iron Man is viewed as a bad guy. He discusses the Cap/IM meeting in issue 3, and makes a point that Cap throws the first punch ( which is an untruth, because Tony took down two of Cap's men first ). He seems to think that Iron Man's comprimising with the government is somehow a justifiable position. Given Millar's political statements in previous interviews, it seems odd that he'd take Tony's side.
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I admit Stark is made to look worse in other issues, but Millar did not make Stark look that good in the main series. The Negative Zone prison to hold American citizens, the cloning of Thor, the use of known mass murderers. What of that is meant to look good? I can understand trying to work with the government and compromising with it. Yet, cloning a god to have as your own personal superweapon? Throwing American citizens in prison in another dimension. The ACLU would be throwing a fit. And than the use of known mass murderers? Some like Taskmaster and Deadpool are mercenaries so they usually don't get their jollies by killing and if you tell them theyr pay check relies on not harming civilians or bringing in people alive they would usually abide by it. Others like the Wrecking Crew and the Green Goblin don't care one way or another.

> -- Comparison of Cap and the Punisher as " the same guy " because they both represent American wars in the 20th century. Seems rather oblivious to the individual personalities of both characters ( that Cap is the MU's paragon of virtue, and Frank is a serial killer who happens to go after people who arguably deserve it ).
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I do agree with you. If Cap and the Punisher both represent American wars than in many ways they represent opposite sides of the same coin or at least ideals. How did he come to this conclusion?

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> > -- Lots of disbelief on Millar's part about how Iron Man is viewed as a bad guy. He discusses the Cap/IM meeting in issue 3, and makes a point that Cap throws the first punch ( which is an untruth, because Tony took down two of Cap's men first ). He seems to think that Iron Man's comprimising with the government is somehow a justifiable position. Given Millar's political statements in previous interviews, it seems odd that he'd take Tony's side.
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> I admit Stark is made to look worse in other issues, but Millar did not make Stark look that good in the main series. The Negative Zone prison to hold American citizens, the cloning of Thor, the use of known mass murderers. What of that is meant to look good? I can understand trying to work with the government and compromising with it. Yet, cloning a god to have as your own personal superweapon? Throwing American citizens in prison in another dimension. The ACLU would be throwing a fit. And than the use of known mass murderers? Some like Taskmaster and Deadpool are mercenaries so they usually don't get their jollies by killing and if you tell them theyr pay check relies on not harming civilians or bringing in people alive they would usually abide by it. Others like the Wrecking Crew and the Green Goblin don't care one way or another.

While questionable...where would you hold enemy soldiers in a war?
It was clearly stated N-Zone was just a temporary placement for anti-reggers...it's permanent use was supposed to be for villians of such power and evil they were a threat to the world every moment they were on it.

Cloning of Thor...I think was a tactic to try and sway the anti-reggers to quit...but yes it was quitye questionable.

Cap has his mass murderes too...that was the problem both sides went TOO far in recruiting.

While is think it quite risky to "chip-up" some villians for combat duty...it's something thats part of our American history that no one has had a problem with before...join the military forces and have your prison stay end while you serve your country.

> > -- Comparison of Cap and the Punisher as " the same guy " because they both represent American wars in the 20th century. Seems rather oblivious to the individual personalities of both characters ( that Cap is the MU's paragon of virtue, and Frank is a serial killer who happens to go after people who arguably deserve it ).
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> I do agree with you. If Cap and the Punisher both represent American wars than in many ways they represent opposite sides of the same coin or at least ideals. How did he come to this conclusion?


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