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Fiasco

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Capt. Nas-Vell!

Subj: Good stuff
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 07:29:49 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Yet again, I say, "Oi!"
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 06:48:14 am EDT

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> This is in regards to the responses below regarding the "I hate Rhino" thread (in case it drops off): Despite the fact that everyone ganged up on me and said otherwise, I did read the preview of the SHE-HULK #21 issue at the time I first saw it, and it didn't matter to me what was said in the dialogue. It didn’t matter that Slott wrote the Rhino scene to point out the things I’ve said about the use of the Rhino. The point of the thread was that I hated the Rhino. So, Dragynwulf, my complaint was justified because I was complaining about the Rhino being used yet again for the zillionth time -- it didn't matter what the Rhino was doing and saying in the issue....he was just there. There was nothing in the original thread about how much I dislike Slott's work. There were no potshots. The thread was about how much I disliked the Rhino. That’s it. It just so happened that he appeared in a Dan Slott-written book. Had the Rhino showed up in IRON MAN #22 or JIMMY CRACK CORN AND I DON’T CARE #45, I still would have complained.
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Attok, no one is "ganging up on [you]" - it just so happens that everyone who responded looked at your post and mistook you for a neurotic crack addict, and so they responded in kind (no offense to any neurotic crack addicts - I could be classified as one, too).

> In response to Dan Slott's thread:
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> > Nowhere in the original thread did I insult you and your work at all. I even went out of my way to say that the intent of the post wasn't about your writing.
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> > In case you haven't noticed, I've been trying to stop with my negative comments about your work and the work of Peter David.
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> > This is like one of those signs that mentions how many days have gone by without an accident in the workplace...
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> >...and now the number goes back down to "0".
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> >Awww.
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> The thread in which I mentioned I would try my hardest not to talk about you and Peter Daivd and your work in anymore threads happened several weeks ago and had been erased by the moderators, so you may not have seen it.
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Personally, I don't think you should stop talking about Dan Slott and PAD's work. Yeah, you dislike it. I make fun of Bendis a lot (though now I get to do it at work, instead of here) and mercilessly knock people who claim that New Avengers is the most brilliant comic they've ever read - then I offer them Avengers: The Initiative or She-Hulk or Green Lantern or Justice Society, just to balance things out.
I do feel, however, that you should stop - STOP - whining about the same things over and over. You hate the Rhino. Sure. You hate the Wrecking Crew. Sure. They're used a lot and it gets annoying. Lord knows I'm tired of it, but that won't stop me from enjoying a good comic.
I won't drop my copy of She-Hulk to the floor and leap up and down on it because the Rhino is in it. I will simply go "The Rhino? Again!?!" and then continue reading!

I dunno...make it your sig or something so you don't have to talk about it unless people ask. Like: "Sinestro Corps War: I'm NOT with The Rhino!" or whatever.

>In short, I have a mental illness (a major panic/anxiety disorder) that I am continuously battling, one I take seriously, even if no one else does.
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Sorry to hear about your mental illness. I have bipolar disorder and mild onset paranoid schizophrenia. I believe there are people watching my every move and plotting against me. \:\-\)

>Because of this, I hate to argue and fight with people. It makes me fret in more ways than one. And because I don't like to fight with people, I keep things bottled up inside me. Years and years of doing this and never saying what is on my mind when someone annoys me was a part of what led to my problem. And I realize sometimes I harp about things that bug me often on this board, but I am very much trying to fix that. In case no one noticed, I stopped complaining about your books, Mr. Slott, and about Peter David. It just so happened that one of your books will be featuring a character I totally hate, so I posted my feelings about the matter (the fact that I hate the Rhino and keep seeing him).
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> >So nowhere did I even mention anything about the Bengal, nor do I even give a flying flip about what goes on with him in your title. I don't even flip through the issue anymore at the store.
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> > No. If you READ my post, you'll notice that I didn't SAY you mentioned Bengal in your last post. What I was pointing out was that in the PAST you made about 3 dozen ERRONEUS and very irate posts about my handling of Bengal. Even after I'd already responded to some telling you that I had cleared how-and-why Bengal was in the book with Bengal's CREATOR, Fabian Nicieza. AND that last week there was a scene in A:TI #5 that addressed ALL of it.
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> >It would be SO nice if like a major publication if the most VOCAL of posters had to make retractions when they were flat-out wrong.
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I know I've done it. I apologized to PAD at the Spider-Man MB. He didn't respond. I'm still not sure what to think of the man, but I enjoy his comics, and I took back my ban on his books, because it was stupid and immature of me to put down a book I knew I'd enjoyed because I disliked the writer's "politics".

> Again, I never brought up the Bengal and never planned to again. I let the matter drop. It was you who felt the need to bring up the Bengal/AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE #5 matter, something I no longer cared about, and I guess you brought it up just to prove a point and shut me up, even though I already shut up about it. *rhe*
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He didn't bring it up to shut you up. He brought it up to make a point, yeah? People do it all the time.
You say "you wear funny shoes and pants" and then repeat "And funny pants" a while later. I reply and say "You may think I wear funny pants and shoes..." - should I not have brought up the shoes because you didn't mention it this time?
I'll admit, that was a lame example, but I'm on the clock here.

> > So, your reply is pretty damn insulting, an unwarrented attack in my opinion, one based on the past. I have moved on, so why haven't you?
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> >Great job moving on. And, btw, your opinion is wrong. Because if you took the time READ the preview pages you were complaining-- you'd see that NOT EVEN the Rhino. But please, hit that note again...
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> My opinion is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. And I did read the preview, as I stated above, and it didn't matter to me what was said or if it was the real Rhino. Whoever he was, the character looked like the Rhino and that was that.
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So if I put on a Rhino costume, you'll hate me? If you go to the zoo, do you skip the rhino exhibit? WTF, Attok? Get real!

> In any case, I said it before and I'll say it again. I'm going to try hard never to speak of the works of Dan Slott and Peter David and their writing styles.
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Similar "writing styles" are used by everyone from DeFalco to Nicieza to Geoff-friggin'-Johns! Your opinions are there to be voiced, just not when it's unnecessary. With the Slott/PAD issue, it's as if you post about them when you have nothing else to say, but want to have posted.

>That doesn't mean I won't say something about a character being used in one of their stories (in this last case, the use of the Rhino). And that doesn't mean I won't slip up every now and again, either, it would be nice not to be raked over the coals when it happens (and this is exactly what happens).
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Consider yourself raked for reopening the thread.

>I apologize for any hurt feelings everyone has on this matter, but the point of my original thread really was meant to be about the fact I dislike the Rhino and just saw him used again, for whatever the reason.
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I get your POV, really I do. But I also get Mr. Slott's.
Seriously, the way you feel about being ragged on for posting against Dan Slott/PAD/whoever, is probably the same way they feel about you posting against their work - often without having read the stories therein - just the preview pages, summaries or reviews by others.
I know I sound a bit hypocritical - who isn't? - but let's face it, this neverending feud is getting old.

> Man, is it time to buy my new comics yet? MS. MARVEL #19, NEW WARRIORS #4, MODOK'S 11#3, BLACK CANARY WEDDING PLANNER, the new COUNTDOWN, and the GRACE/WONDER WOMAN one-shot....nothing to complain about there. \:\-\)
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Till you read em, that is. \:\-D
I'll be getting NW, the BCWP, and the next Countdown (which looks good, for thrice). Good luck to you, buddy. Seriously, I hope it's a good week in Attok's World (PARTY TIME! EXCELLENT!).

Captain Nas-Vell!

JIMMY CRACK CORN AND I DON’T CARE #45


I want this comic



I make fun of Bendis a lot



What's a Bendis?



I will simply go "The Rhino? Again!?!" and then continue reading!



I missed it...is the Rhino in ANOTHER book yet again? For the love of...okay, i'm just kidding.





> Sorry to hear about your mental illness. I have bipolar disorder and mild onset paranoid schizophrenia. I believe there are people watching my every move and plotting against me. \:\-\)



No we're not. Dude, you got some mustard on your shirt there.



> > >So nowhere did I even mention anything about the Bengal



I hate to admit this, but the Bengals look decent this year. They gotta get by the Steelers though....



> I know I've done it. I apologized to PAD at the Spider-Man MB. He didn't respond.



I'm sure he did in his heart.


> So if I put on a Rhino costume, you'll hate me?


Please do this and post pictures.




> I get your POV, really I do. But I also get Mr. Slott's.
> Seriously, the way you feel about being ragged on for posting against Dan Slott/PAD/whoever, is probably the same way they feel about you posting against their work



In all honesty and seriousness - excellent point. You are absolutely right. Allow me to expound a bit more on it:

Here's a trade secret: I work at a 911 center. On occasion, I have to take emergency calls for service. People call with all variety of issues - some are dying, some are scared, and some just want to know what time of day it is - amazingly enough, you'd be surprised at how many of these people are rude and nasty and downright unappreciative to you for trying to get them the help they need. It would be really easy to say "You know what, lady? I don't like the way you're talking to me and i'm not gonna help you." But then, that's obviously wrong. What is hard to do, is to realize that the lady is having a really bad day and she's affected emotionally by it - and in reality, she probably wouldn't be so unappreciative towards me if it weren't for that (I have to make a joke here) guy in the Rhino suit trying to kill her. In short, It's hard to be understanding. But I do it. Not just because I have to, but because I want to help that person.

If you don't like what someone says, rather than incite them, or complain about it - either let it go or try to see where they're coming from before you respond. Usually, people just want to defend themselves - and thats all the two of you are doing. Maybe you could both just agree to disagree and we can all go back to talking comics in our little happy place here (where we aren't monitoring Capt Nas). That's probably sound advice for all of us on this board - and that includes myself - who allowed himself to get involved in an earlier round of this dispute and didn't help matters by going off on someone.

You know what? All this crap could be avoided if Marvel just skipped holidays all together and shipped the damn books on Wednesday....we should all be reading dammit!!!