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Tiger Shark

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DeathBug

Subj: Monkey Man Is Awesome, I Think - One Of The Best BAFs Yet
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 10:18:43 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: You Miss The Whole Point ...
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 10:06:55 pm EST

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> Chances are that that fans felt that a 'bait and switch' of a kind had been performed (especially since TB then launched the Icons line, which sold fans the same size Marvel figures they had previously been getting free for $19.99 and up), and the reactions to the later BAFS were tepid.
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> Which means: the new smaller, cheaper, lazier format for the BAF incentive wasn't working any longer.

I understand this point, but that's not my issue. My issue is that Hasbro is constantly accused of "inferior" BAF's, when people can only point to two that Toy Biz did "right", Galactus and Sentinel. (And I'm not really pleased with Galactus, myself.)

> Other companies, however, saw the wisdom in the BAF idea. When Hasbro got the Marvel license, they continued on with the smaller BAFS--a mistake in my eyes, since Mattel, the renamed Toybiz, and other companies were going competitively forward with both the BAF idea and the larger BAF idea.
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Except that none of it stuck. Marvel Toys made the huge Pitt, and then immediately scaled it down for Monkey Man. And while Pitt is a cool piece of work, MM isn't, so much. LCBH needed that BAF push a lot more than Marvel Legends, because half of their characters area bunch of nobodies. (Even Pitt himself is obscure, but at least looks really cool.)

The new DC line's BAF is a regular sized character, and no one seems to mind; yet we'd hear bloody murder if Hasbro took that route.

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> And rumors keep circulating that Hasbro is shutting down the ML line altogether--as both the Brood Queen and the Nemesis series have been rumored to have been cancelled, complaints that the Hasbro figures are badly made compared to the Toybiz figures, and fan unhappiness with the characters presumably included in the forthcoming Spiral wave is all over the net. The forthcoming Hulk line began as 12 figures, and was cut down to 10, and then 8. By the time they finally see release, it may be just 6 or even 4.
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And yet a lot of those rumors aren't true. The Brood wave is out, and the supposed twelve figures in the Hulk series was itself a rumor.

Meanwhile, supposed golden boys LCBH are going bye bye, and Marvel Toys will be contracting for Hasbro. This can only bring good news.

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> So, Yes, in light of this, going back to the Large BAF idea which originally roped in so many new buyers does seem like a good idea, and what most fans want--simply that. Marvel Toys is doing it, Mattel is doing it in the near future with 8-inch Solomon Grundy and Gorilla Grodd---and other companies are as well (such as the Universal Frankenstein Monster figure I mentioned yesterday).
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How can Mattel going to the eight-inch scale for BAF's be a good thing, when it's a bad thing that Hasbro BAF's are already around that size? Mattel is getting a pass because they set expectations low to start with. (Which is probably good marketing on their part.)

And I think the large BAF idea is a double-edged sword, at this point. Every wave is expected to have one, and its expected to be huge. And, invariably, it will be compared unfavorably to the Sentinel. The Sandman BAF is the logical conclusion to this kind of thinking.

There's no way that Hasbro's BAFs compare with the first three Toybiz BAFs. The Galactus figure is a piece of art; he's practically a museum piece as BAFs go.

The Apocalypse figure is the lesser of the three, as he has no external embellishments or faux-metal paint, but is still very nice; he moves incredibly.

I don't know if you own the Pitt and Monkey Man figures, but I do, and the Monkey Man figure, which is essentially hollow, is also a work of art, and only slightly smaller than Pitt; less than an inch when standing erect.

And the 'hollowness' works beautifully for the figure and shows us the future of large BAFS: he's neither heavy, costly to produce, or costly to ship. Bingo.

You're right: 'none of it stuck,' which I translate into the fact that all the companies involved are, vis-a-vis the BAFS, going up and down, right and left, this way and that, which is confusing and off-putting to fans and collectors.

Pitt and Monkey Man may be obscure to you, but they're not to many diehard fans who are not new to the field. Most of us remember the creation of Pitt, and Dale Keon's (sp?) 80s Hulk work quite well.

Mattel produced a regular-sized Metamorpho, but both Gorilla Grodd and Solomon Grundy are going to be several inches taller, which is admittedly not 'a large BAF' in the Galactus mold. I think they're doing a bang-up job so far.

The problem with Hasbro is that fans did not like with TB did with the BAFs after Apocalypse, and expected Hasbro to see the error of TB's ways, and re-introduce the large Marvel BAF. That's what almost everyone wanted.

Instead we got a nicely-visually designed, but small Annihilus that couldn't support its own wings. I doubt that anyone's stands; the knees buckle, it falls over. It has to be propped backwards to stay in a standing position, and the wings fall off too.

For the Blob, I had to buy several of the figures twice to get arms and legs that actually fit into the grooves. And it's not terribly impressive as a figure.

Ronan was a huge leap forward, and I expect the 15 inch Fin Fang Foom to be equally awesome.

And then, from what I understand, Hasbro, with all this inconsistency, is going to either shut down the official ML lines, and stop making the BAFs altogether.

And that will drive me right into Mattel's arms, and cause me to skip most of the Hasbro Marvel figures.



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