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Subj: Re: Here's what I got [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 07:14:59 pm EST
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> > While I hate the event, I love the universe and I'm still able to follow the line, so I've got my theories. Who do you think are Skrulls?
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> Lindy, Sentry's wife - The whole dying and coming back thing she's done twice now? It's a little suspicious. But it is possible there's something going on there with Sentry's powers. Still, it's kinda hard to believe the Skrulls wouldn't want some kind of leash on Sentry. Manipulating him through his wife would be a good way of controlling him.
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Ah, yes. I'd forgotten about her, but she was on my list as well. Especially after she told Tony to find a way to kill Sentry. I assume he's the wild card for the Skrulls.

> Jessica Jones - I say the baby is fully human, and Jessica was replaced sometime between giving birth and accepting Luke's proposal. The next best thing to replacing Luke is being able to control him by having his baby hostage. And now that she's in Avengers Tower, he can't do a thing about it when/if he finds out the truth besides try to convince people she's the Skrull and not him.
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Some good points raised here. Especially since she's all "I'm a nice person now" and "I'm a mom" and whatever.

> Namor - I say Black Bolt wasn't the member of the Illuminati replaced years ago. It was Namor. Atlantis has been scattered in sleeper cells all over the world, meaning he can still give them commands but it would probably be very difficult for any of the heroes to find and convince them not to listen because he's a Skrull.
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Last time we saw Namor (in The Order), he seemed to be himself. It's hard to tell sometimes if Fraction means for some of the flashback panels to be actual thoughts of the character being interviewed (in #7's case, Namor), or if he's just showing readers past events that tie into what that character is speaking about. If it's the former, then it's Namor, as he displayed memories of past experiences.

> Wasp - I have no big theory here. Just out of the Mighty Avengers lineup, I see her as the most likely candidate. I doubt Tony, Sentry, Carol or Ares are Skrulls. If Simon's an energy being like he pointed out he was in a recent issue, probably not a Skrull. Natasha's expressed knowing too many intimate secrets over in Cap's book to be a Skrull. That kinda singles out Jan.
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Could explain why she's written as a ditz, though I doubt it's her. Especially since we're privy to her thoughts when she interacts with Hank, and we see her doing '60's Wasp'-type stuff, like getting folks to try on new costumes and rubbish. If they're gonna use the conceit that some of the Skrulls are sleepers who are unaware of their own Skrull status till the Invasion, then I will think even less of this event, and this whole guessing game Bendis is playing up is pointless. So no, I don't think Jan is a Skrull.

> Nightcrawler - The X-Skrull who attacked the Illuminati looked like he had the powers of Colossus, Nightcrawler, Wolverine and Cyclops. Colossus' return was a little too elaborate for a Skrull hoax. Being in constant contact with more than one telepath, Cyclops is probably too risky to try. I just doubt it's Wolverine. So that leaves Nightcrawler, who I can't think of any reason he couldn't easily be a Skrull.
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I took the X-Skrull to just be another unexplained variation on Super-Skrull (K'lrt), but instead of having the FF's powers, this one has the X-Men's powers. Likewise, the hammer-wielding Skrull was more than likely supposed to be an Avengers-Skrull. It's an inherently cool idea, but there are story reasons that just having them introduced without much explanation make them seem silly. For one thing, if you could create Skrulls with the power sets of an entire team of heroes, with rosters from various past teams in the MU, why would you make an "X-Men" Skrull or an "Avengers" Skrull? Why not take the most powerful or useful abilities from all the teams and create an army of Skrulls with, say, the hammer of Thor, the strength of the Hulk, Nightcrawler's teleportation and Quicksilver's super-speed?

> Those are the picks I'm going with right now.

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> > Lindy, Sentry's wife - The whole dying and coming back thing she's done twice now? It's a little suspicious. But it is possible there's something going on there with Sentry's powers. Still, it's kinda hard to believe the Skrulls wouldn't want some kind of leash on Sentry. Manipulating him through his wife would be a good way of controlling him.
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> Ah, yes. I'd forgotten about her, but she was on my list as well. Especially after she told Tony to find a way to kill Sentry. I assume he's the wild card for the Skrulls.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were laying down plans to make him fight on their side when the inevitable showdown starts.

> > Namor - I say Black Bolt wasn't the member of the Illuminati replaced years ago. It was Namor. Atlantis has been scattered in sleeper cells all over the world, meaning he can still give them commands but it would probably be very difficult for any of the heroes to find and convince them not to listen because he's a Skrull.
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> Last time we saw Namor (in The Order), he seemed to be himself. It's hard to tell sometimes if Fraction means for some of the flashback panels to be actual thoughts of the character being interviewed (in #7's case, Namor), or if he's just showing readers past events that tie into what that character is speaking about. If it's the former, then it's Namor, as he displayed memories of past experiences.

I lean towards the flashback panels not being from Namor's headspace, because the first couple were from before he was even born, I think. And then the rest were instances of pretty known history that aren't too intimate for only Namor to know.

> > Wasp - I have no big theory here. Just out of the Mighty Avengers lineup, I see her as the most likely candidate. I doubt Tony, Sentry, Carol or Ares are Skrulls. If Simon's an energy being like he pointed out he was in a recent issue, probably not a Skrull. Natasha's expressed knowing too many intimate secrets over in Cap's book to be a Skrull. That kinda singles out Jan.
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> Could explain why she's written as a ditz, though I doubt it's her. Especially since we're privy to her thoughts when she interacts with Hank, and we see her doing '60's Wasp'-type stuff, like getting folks to try on new costumes and rubbish. If they're gonna use the conceit that some of the Skrulls are sleepers who are unaware of their own Skrull status till the Invasion, then I will think even less of this event, and this whole guessing game Bendis is playing up is pointless. So no, I don't think Jan is a Skrull.

I don't think being privy to her thoughts is any indication one way or another. It was pointed out in Illuminati that Xavier could still "hear" Black Bolt's thoughts even after the Skrull revealed himself. The Skrulls impersonating heroes must be having these in-character thoughts or they'd all be detected by telepaths.

Also, I don't really consider allegedly out-of-character behavior to be a sign of a Skrull, because that seems kinda... backwards. It's most likely the people acting weird are who they say they are. A Skrull would probably trying to be as predictably in-character as possible other than to make whatever move they have to in order to further the invasion plans.

But I did remember that I actually do have a big theory about why Jan could be a Skrull. I just forgot it when I first posted. It's the idea that the Skrulls have had some involvement in most of the big events of that past few years. Including Avengers Disassembled. It was Jan who made a supposedly thoughtless comment that got Wanda's crazy ball rolling. I don't remember being shown any other character having such direct involvement in what happened that wasn't completely reactionary to the chaos Wanda was causing. If the Skrulls had a hand in this, it's most likely that a Skrull agent would have done exactly what Jan did.

> > Nightcrawler - The X-Skrull who attacked the Illuminati looked like he had the powers of Colossus, Nightcrawler, Wolverine and Cyclops. Colossus' return was a little too elaborate for a Skrull hoax. Being in constant contact with more than one telepath, Cyclops is probably too risky to try. I just doubt it's Wolverine. So that leaves Nightcrawler, who I can't think of any reason he couldn't easily be a Skrull.
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> I took the X-Skrull to just be another unexplained variation on Super-Skrull (K'lrt), but instead of having the FF's powers, this one has the X-Men's powers. Likewise, the hammer-wielding Skrull was more than likely supposed to be an Avengers-Skrull. It's an inherently cool idea, but there are story reasons that just having them introduced without much explanation make them seem silly. For one thing, if you could create Skrulls with the power sets of an entire team of heroes, with rosters from various past teams in the MU, why would you make an "X-Men" Skrull or an "Avengers" Skrull? Why not take the most powerful or useful abilities from all the teams and create an army of Skrulls with, say, the hammer of Thor, the strength of the Hulk, Nightcrawler's teleportation and Quicksilver's super-speed?

I really doubt the Skrulls are able to perfectly copy the abilities of the most powerful heroes. The Skrull who pretended to be Black Bolt clearly didn't really have his power or the Illuminati would be dead. That's probably a reason they don't just make an army of them and take over by sheer force. They can't muster enough force to make it a decisive victory. And open conflict probably not the Skrull;s preference.

But it does seem that these Skrulls impersonating heroes are mostly Super Skrulls. The Skrull who took Black Bolt's identity also had copies of Namor, Xavier and Reed's powers. It's like they have contingency plans to take over the identity of someone else who belongs to the group they've infiltrated if the opportunity presents itself or it becomes necessary. That's why I think if an X-Skrull showed up with the power set of Cyclops, Wolverine, Colossus and Nightcrawler then he was impersonating one of those people or being prepared to.


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