Dave Galanter
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The Overlord

In Reply To
TJ Burns

Subj: I don't think the concept is dated, it just hasn't been used creatively
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 11:23:35 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: The Ringmaster and the circus of Crime
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 10:22:44 pm EST

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> Why are the ringmaster and the Circus of crime so lame, I always thought an evil circus should be way creepier and scarier than what is often presented in the pages of comics.

Part of it, I think, is that it's a sheer Golden-Silver Age gimmick, which loses a lot of its appeal in the modern world. The circus used to have such magic to it to the average person. These days, your average person figures the Ringmaster's circus is pretty much the norm for that sort of operation, just with super-powers instead of misdirection. That loss of innocence makes the "twist" of the Circus of Crime lose its potency. It's telling that the most memorable Ringmaster story I can recall (from the Ultimate Super-Villains anthology of short stories, not the comics themselves) focused on that dichotomy.


TJB

> > Why are the ringmaster and the Circus of crime so lame, I always thought an evil circus should be way creepier and scarier than what is often presented in the pages of comics.
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> Part of it, I think, is that it's a sheer Golden-Silver Age gimmick, which loses a lot of its appeal in the modern world. The circus used to have such magic to it to the average person. These days, your average person figures the Ringmaster's circus is pretty much the norm for that sort of operation, just with super-powers instead of misdirection. That loss of innocence makes the "twist" of the Circus of Crime lose its potency. It's telling that the most memorable Ringmaster story I can recall (from the Ultimate Super-Villains anthology of short stories, not the comics themselves) focused on that dichotomy.
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> TJB

I don't think the concept is that dated, I like the idea of evil circus, I find the idea of something thaty is supposed to be innocent like a circus, twisted to an evil purpose interesting. The problem is almost 90% of the stories with these guys is the same:

The circus puts on a show, the Ringmaster brainwashes the audience, the circus members try to rob the crowd, some hero comes by and knocks them out. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Try something different these guys. First they should look more gothic, they should all look kinda scary.

Second they should try some other ways to make money, something a little more sinister. Like a smash and grab operation, where these circus freaks attack people while other circus members steal everything that isn't nailed down from a store.

Or even more sinister, they could use the seemingly innocent circus characters (along with perhaps some Ringmaster's mind control tech) to lure kids of rich families to "join the circus". Once they have these kids they make demands parents for money or else.

Anything rather than using the same story over and over again.



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