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AndrewMTC

Subj: Re: More words?
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:15:29 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: Correction about Miek and one or two other things...
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 06:21:14 pm EST

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> First off, Miek is still alive. The Hulk and Brood just badly injured him. Currently he is a prisoner in some SHIELD base giving information about the Warbound to help SHIELD capture them.
>
>
> > Great thanks for the help! \:\-\) Still, I have some questions...
> >
> > > Hulk is fixing to rampage and radiating massive amounts of gamma radiation
> >
> > Is there a specific reason given for Hulk's power-up, or is it only because Hulk got really angry about everything what happened?
> >
> It is hard to tell, but from what I could gather the Hulk was having a mental breakdown. His best friend from Sakaar betrayed him by following the Hulk's lesson to its logial end. On Sakaar Hulk drilled it into Miek to "never stop making them pay." So, Miek being unable to live in peace or cope with the idea of the Reds to be spared let him to betray the Hulk since to Miek the Hulk existed merely to destroy. The Hulk also realized that Miek betrayal cost him the life of his "other" best friend Rick Jones (at the time they thought he was dead). Finally, it proved that what the Illuminati had been telling the Hulk all along was correct. So the whole point of the Hulk's invasion was pointless leaving the Hulk morally bankrupt. The whole "righteousness" of his cause was lost and he came across as the same rage-filled brute he is always accuse of and accuased the Illuminati being. The Hulk finally snapped and several possibiliites happened:
>
> 1. The Hulk reached his maximum level of rage. His best friend (Miek) caused the Hulk to loose everything he cared about (Sakaary, Caira, unborn child, Rick Jones, etc.), played him for a fool, and made his own invasion pointless and him (the hulk) to be the monster the Illuminati were right to fear. The Hulk's strength increase to its maximum level and he could no longer control his rage due to his mind collapsing.
>
Well I think what you are missing, or leaving out, is that it wasn't simply a betrayal by Miek. Hulk basically caused all this mess himself (his planet and wife's deaths, and all the death/destruction that came from WWH), since he was the one who taught Miek this lesson. That's why I saw him go so far off the deep end - surely Hulk has been betrayed before, but in this case he was the root cause of that betrayal. Knowing that the rule he had lived by in the name of justice had actually brought about so much pain to both himself and others I think really made him go farther off the deep end than ever before.

Otherwise, I think your examination is correct. I just think there is that added wrinkle that REALLY got him so far gone.

> 2. The Hulk went into meltdown. The Hulk has been sometimes compared to a type of nuclear reactor who emits gamma radiation. Normally, the Hulk has some semblence of a mind to control it, but with his mind unabl to cope with his level of rage his power was simply leaking out.
>
> > > Then across the universe, on the now-desolate Sakaar, we see a long-haired, green-skinned figure rise from the muck. Enter: Skaar, Son of Hulk.
> >
> > Yeah, what was that about? Do we know something about this character? Is Marvel planning a spin-off book with him, or something like that?
>
> A mini about him written by Pak has been in talks for months, but as far as I know nothing has been confirmed yet. Considering how everything on Sakaar is supposed to be dead or evacuated I don't really see how a story could be told. What reason would anyone have to return? For that matter there is the problem of how the kid even survived. If the story is told I hope it isn't another "immortal" healing factor.

I'm pretty sure Pak has given interviews about the series on places like Newsarama. I remember hearing about someone drawing it but I haven't found a source for that yet.


Found some info though (thanks, Google!):

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=136412
[Act I = Planet Hulk, Act II = WWH...]
>"GP: Act III is Skaar: Son of Hulk. It will take the themes and world of Planet Hulk and World War Hulk to the next level with the insane, epic story of a son of rage fighting for survival on a savage planet."

>"MP: Look for Skaar, Son of Hulk in the early part of 2008."
[Yet no solicit yet, right? That's annoying.]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12387
[listing all of the post-WWH books we've seen so far...]
>...the 12-issue "Skaar: Son of Hulk" maxiseries by writer Greg Pak and an artist to be announced later, which launches in 2008.

>"Skaar is indeed the son of Hulk and Caiera the Oldstrong," Paniccia confirmed. "He is half Gamma-mutated human and half Shadow Person and 100% kick @$$!"

>Though his father may not have been there to raise him, Skaar is a chip off the old Gamma- irradiated block. "He is very much indeed his father's son as you'll see-in many ways, but hey, if you grew up in a radioactive puddle on a world as savage and brutal as Sakaar (and no comic shops in site, to boot), you probably wouldn't be smiling either," Paniccia said.

>Skaar’s defiant demeanor will lead to grim and grand adventures on the post-apocalyptic planet Sakaar. "This will be a fast paced, visceral series with all the goodness of a Greg Pak epic," Paniccia said. "If you're a fan of barbarian comics, you're going to love this book. If you liked ‘Planet Hulk,’ you're gonna love this book. If you liked ‘WWH,’ you're going to...well, you get the idea. Greg's got some really cool ideas brewing so you'll get a healthy dose of all things that made his recent work so great. I knew we hadn't seen the last of Sakaar and it's great to be back. Even though a big part of it's been wiped off the face of the map, it's such a rich environment that the possibilities are endless."

>Sakaar may have seemed like a harsh world in "Planet Hulk" but the shape of the planet than is a paradise compared to how it appears in "Skaar: Son of Hulk." "Crown City has been decimated and where it once stood is a deadly radioactive zone," Paniccia explained. "There is still the Fillian Empire and scattered tribes, but the destruction that has taken place will probably put a great deal of the inhabitants in danger."





Check it out: Shu and I (and FLCL) teamed up!


> > First off, Miek is still alive. The Hulk and Brood just badly injured him. Currently he is a prisoner in some SHIELD base giving information about the Warbound to help SHIELD capture them.
> >
> >
> > > Great thanks for the help! \:\-\) Still, I have some questions...
> > >
> > > > Hulk is fixing to rampage and radiating massive amounts of gamma radiation
> > >
> > > Is there a specific reason given for Hulk's power-up, or is it only because Hulk got really angry about everything what happened?
> > >
> > It is hard to tell, but from what I could gather the Hulk was having a mental breakdown. His best friend from Sakaar betrayed him by following the Hulk's lesson to its logial end. On Sakaar Hulk drilled it into Miek to "never stop making them pay." So, Miek being unable to live in peace or cope with the idea of the Reds to be spared let him to betray the Hulk since to Miek the Hulk existed merely to destroy. The Hulk also realized that Miek betrayal cost him the life of his "other" best friend Rick Jones (at the time they thought he was dead). Finally, it proved that what the Illuminati had been telling the Hulk all along was correct. So the whole point of the Hulk's invasion was pointless leaving the Hulk morally bankrupt. The whole "righteousness" of his cause was lost and he came across as the same rage-filled brute he is always accuse of and accuased the Illuminati being. The Hulk finally snapped and several possibiliites happened:
> >
> > 1. The Hulk reached his maximum level of rage. His best friend (Miek) caused the Hulk to loose everything he cared about (Sakaary, Caira, unborn child, Rick Jones, etc.), played him for a fool, and made his own invasion pointless and him (the hulk) to be the monster the Illuminati were right to fear. The Hulk's strength increase to its maximum level and he could no longer control his rage due to his mind collapsing.
> >
> Well I think what you are missing, or leaving out, is that it wasn't simply a betrayal by Miek. Hulk basically caused all this mess himself (his planet and wife's deaths, and all the death/destruction that came from WWH), since he was the one who taught Miek this lesson. That's why I saw him go so far off the deep end - surely Hulk has been betrayed before, but in this case he was the root cause of that betrayal. Knowing that the rule he had lived by in the name of justice had actually brought about so much pain to both himself and others I think really made him go farther off the deep end than ever before.
>
> Otherwise, I think your examination is correct. I just think there is that added wrinkle that REALLY got him so far gone.

Yeah, it seems fair examination. Also seems like a plot point that deserved more substantiation in the conclusion than it got. Having readers interpret events is good but it helps to give pertinent details to the story paid for. The ending was appropriately epic but more narrative details or a 'surviving' character's POV, worked into the wrapup, wouldve given the ¢hain of event$ more meaning.

>
> > 2. The Hulk went into meltdown. The Hulk has been sometimes compared to a type of nuclear reactor who emits gamma radiation. Normally, the Hulk has some semblence of a mind to control it, but with his mind unabl to cope with his level of rage his power was simply leaking out.
> >
> > > > Then across the universe, on the now-desolate Sakaar, we see a long-haired, green-skinned figure rise from the muck. Enter: Skaar, Son of Hulk.
> > >
> > > Yeah, what was that about? Do we know something about this character? Is Marvel planning a spin-off book with him, or something like that?
> >
> > A mini about him written by Pak has been in talks for months, but as far as I know nothing has been confirmed yet. Considering how everything on Sakaar is supposed to be dead or evacuated I don't really see how a story could be told. What reason would anyone have to return? For that matter there is the problem of how the kid even survived. If the story is told I hope it isn't another "immortal" healing factor.
>
> I'm pretty sure Pak has given interviews about the series on places like Newsarama. I remember hearing about someone drawing it but I haven't found a source for that yet.
>
>
> Found some info though (thanks, Google!):
>
> http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=136412
> [Act I = Planet Hulk, Act II = WWH...]
> >"GP: Act III is Skaar: Son of Hulk. It will take the themes and world of Planet Hulk and World War Hulk to the next level with the insane, epic story of a son of rage fighting for survival on a savage planet."
>
> >"MP: Look for Skaar, Son of Hulk in the early part of 2008."
> [Yet no solicit yet, right? That's annoying.]
>
> http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12387
> [listing all of the post-WWH books we've seen so far...]
> >...the 12-issue "Skaar: Son of Hulk" maxiseries by writer Greg Pak and an artist to be announced later, which launches in 2008.
>
> >"Skaar is indeed the son of Hulk and Caiera the Oldstrong," Paniccia confirmed. "He is half Gamma-mutated human and half Shadow Person and 100% kick @$$!"
>
> >Though his father may not have been there to raise him, Skaar is a chip off the old Gamma- irradiated block. "He is very much indeed his father's son as you'll see-in many ways, but hey, if you grew up in a radioactive puddle on a world as savage and brutal as Sakaar (and no comic shops in site, to boot), you probably wouldn't be smiling either," Paniccia said.
>
> >Skaar’s defiant demeanor will lead to grim and grand adventures on the post-apocalyptic planet Sakaar. "This will be a fast paced, visceral series with all the goodness of a Greg Pak epic," Paniccia said. "If you're a fan of barbarian comics, you're going to love this book. If you liked ‘Planet Hulk,’ you're gonna love this book. If you liked ‘WWH,’ you're going to...well, you get the idea. Greg's got some really cool ideas brewing so you'll get a healthy dose of all things that made his recent work so great. I knew we hadn't seen the last of Sakaar and it's great to be back. Even though a big part of it's been wiped off the face of the map, it's such a rich environment that the possibilities are endless."
>
> >Sakaar may have seemed like a harsh world in "Planet Hulk" but the shape of the planet than is a paradise compared to how it appears in "Skaar: Son of Hulk." "Crown City has been decimated and where it once stood is a deadly radioactive zone," Paniccia explained. "There is still the Fillian Empire and scattered tribes, but the destruction that has taken place will probably put a great deal of the inhabitants in danger."
>






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