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mtyoung

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Punchdrunk

Subj: Re: SI #3 - Why does the action in fighting not tell a story anymore? [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 12:44:19 pm EDT
Reply Subj: SI #3 - Why does the action in fighting not tell a story anymore? [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 09:16:35 am EDT

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Am I the only one who is becoming increasingly irritated that fight sequences don't seem to be shown in a linear enough way to know..

who is fighting who
who is winning
what specific techniques/powers etc are causing the outcomes

it just looks like a mess with costumes a good chunk of the time.

The visual of fights used to have an ebb and flow that told you a lot about the personality of the combatants.

This issue and mighty/new avengers of the last year have been particularly egrigious offenders.

I know it is trying to depict the chaos of war but this isn't a documentary.

Clarity needs to be respected enough that the story is digestible.

This feels like a movie with over/poor use of the shoulder held camera technique.

Please explain why I am wrong or why you agree.

> Please explain why I am wrong or why you agree.

I think fight scenes have just evolved in the last few years, and in a way became much more realistic. Traditional comic fights always involved team A vs team B, but there would be individual fights. So it would still be strong guy vs. strong guy, hand to hand fighter vs. hand to hand fighter, etc. In most of today's scenes, you really just have chaos.

Sometimes this chaotic fight is intended, such as Avengers Dissembled, the Breakout, House of M, etc. Bendis (as I'm sure you are aware) tends to overuse this technique. It' still warranted and makes sense, but if you repeatedly show something, it starts to lose that "special" thing about it.

On the other hand, I think certain writers have done a great job of having clear fights. Millar for example, with Civil War, the Ultimates, and his Wolverine arc, all had very clear fights.

I think it also goes back to the fact that comics aren't the only medium anymore to have big "expensive" fights. Other forms of media, such as television, video games, and movies, are all much more likely to show those big fights then they were in the past. Why show two comic book characters fight, when I can play Ultimate Alliance and do the same thing? Comic book are no longer "unique" in this way.

And fight scenes in comics are also less important than they were in the past. It use to be that every comic had a fight scene, whether it progressed the story or not. Today, fight scenes are more rare, and only serve to progress the story. But as fight scenes decreased, other areas got more attention, like characterization, the story, etc.


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