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Subj: Re: You have crystalized the problem beautifully. Movie makers don't seem.....
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:53:58 am EDT (Viewed 55 times)
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 07:57:55 am EDT (Viewed 70 times)

> > HULK MOVIE SPOILER - (but an obvious one)
> >
> >
> > I say this is an obvious spoiler because I think everybody knows it before they enter the theatre, but any way, here's the spoiler:
> >
> > 1. I don't want Bruce Banner to stop becoming the Hulk, because then there would be no more Hulk, and I don't want that.
> >
> > 2. I know Bruce Banner will never stop becoming the Hulk, because then there would be no more Hulk, and Marvel won't allow that.
> >
> > Thus I both want and expect the protagonist to fail in the main goal of his life.
> > Did anyone else feel the same way?
> >
> to trust the character of the Hulk.
> I don't think they understand the book's appeal.

It seems to me that they don't understand the book's CURRENT appeal. The Hulk that Stan Lee was trying to create was something akin to a modern monster story. The appeal for me in those days was exactly the fact that this Banner guy turned into an unpredictable monster and had to suffer for it. That was interesting human drama.

> The overwhelming proof of this is the way we are all going gah gah over him saying "Hulk smash".

Some did, yes . . . but others moaned and said later "I so knew he was going to say that at that moment."

> The Hulk is wish fulfillment of the primal power in all of us.

Speak for yourself. I have absolutely no need to be that violent.

> The Hulk is indomitable.

Ostensibly, yes.

> Humanity - both his own and the outside world cannot stop him.

That's debatable. There has to be some sense of suspense for the protagonist's well-being.

> We want to be indomitable.

Again speak for yourself.

> We want to overcome our own weakness and the limits society puts on us.

Yes to the former, not so much to the latter. We may foolishly want to overcome society's limits, but most of the people who do that are in jail. We should want to work together as a society to determine which limits are going to work the best for keeping things balanced (a message of the movie actually - Banner needs to balance or come to terms with his "limitation" not destroy it completely).

> In any Hulk vs Abomination fight their is a pattern.
> Blonsky is stronger and more skilled and wins early while verbally villifying Hulk.
> Hulk's rage spikes and Blonsky faces true palpable fear as he begins losing.
> Blonsky asks "Why?", "How?", "Where did he go wrong?"
> The Hulk responds with "Where are your words now? You are weak! Hulk is strongest one there is!"

And that is why Abomination/Hulk battles get really old really fast.

> We all want to say that to our oppressors.

When were pissed, yeah.

> That is his appeal - The Hulk is our wish to batter down life's frustrations.

You're scaring me. I have no desire to get that analogously violent with life's frustrations.

> Toho often makes the same mistake with Godzilla.
> They don't seem to understand that we are all rooting for Godzilla not the army.

Godzilla is symbolic of the bomb! No damn wonder the Japanese don't root for him! Ever notice his breath is radioactive!! Godzilla is a cultural narrative response to a horrific event for the Japanese. Look at the pattern.

Radioactive terror destroys city.
Japanese army brave, but useless.
Massive destruction.
Japanese people humbly rebuild, knowing that the radioactive terror is still out there . . .

Did I just describe a Godzilla movie or WWII?