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Subj: ''It's what he does. It's all he does.''
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 12:56:51 am EDT
Reply Subj: Ultimatum discussion (spoilers for Ultimate books) or Why does Loeb keep ruining comics?
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:54:05 pm EDT
Ult X-Men under Kirkman initially went for a scattershot approach of throwing plenty of stuff at the wall to see what would stick, from yet another boring Phoenix plot, to more interesting stuff like Sabretooth being Wolverine's son, and the really gutsy moves of Nightcrawler going crazy, and Bishop taking over a team of mostly-new recruits.
And he then proceeded to undo everything he did, and it was crap. Everything built to his final storyline, in which WolverCable had be training Xavier to become Onslaught so they could defeat Apocalypse, and...none of the build up was at relevant, as Apocalypse just owns Chuck anyway, and then Phoenix owns him, in what is presented as a complete mismatch.
As for Ult-FF, yes, it's a competant book under Carey, but not not really anything more, and when we're getting down to Ultimate versions of Agatha Harkness and the Salem's Seven (before the Frightful Four? Seriously? Why?), it's got to be time to call it a day.
Worse, both titles look very much like they were supposed to be handed over to Lobe to begin Ultimatum two months ago, and are just on fill-in duty to pass the time until Ultimates 3 finishes and he finally gets there. And there's nothing worse than a book killing time.
It's not that it has "creepy incest scenes with Wolverine watching them", it's that it has Wasp talking like incest is a perfectly acceptable part of modern life, and isn't it great, and only some stuck in the past 1940s man would complain about it?
While the earlier miniseries like Ultimate War and Ultimate Six were 'events' that had some bearing on the main books, since then, they've tended to be more for the sake of getting *name of writer* to do a book than anything else, with the exception of Ultimate Origins, which looks to be a bizarre exercise of tying events together, whether they were supposed to be or not.
I know it's true, you know it's true, but Marvel has demonstrated a willingness to put it's money behind all-star creative teams who couldn't tell a deadline from a hole in the ground, and an "it'll be ready when it's ready" attitude, regardless of it's impact on franchise comics.
In all honesty, I've always believed that the Ultimate books should've run for as long as Millar and Bendis were on them, then they should've just ended, and then Marvel should've relaunched all over again, getting the big new names of the day to start all over again, else the Ultimate line becomes a poor man's version of the original Marvel Universe, building up the very years of backstory it was supposed to be an alternative to.
But yes, failing that, it's better to get writers who are in for the long haul than ones who are here and gone in a year or less. It seems even rarer to get artists sticking on the same book for longer than a year or two these days, and I'm really not sure if that's something about the artists themselves, or if Marvel and DC just like shifting them around from one book to another a lot.
The trainwreck appeal of Lobe holds a deathgrip on me, he's consistently churning out comics that are so bad, so hilariously stupid, they're good.
Yes, he's ruining characters every time, from Wolverine, Wild Child and Sabretooth, to Ultimate Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, to Rick Jones, but I'm still reading. I can't help it, I can't look away.
There's a solid argument that between his slowness and his badness, he shouldn't be given ongoing books, nor anything that actually matters, but if he were writing inconsequential miniseries about characters no-one cared about, that would really take the edge off the high, and I need that hit of comics crack. I....I just wanted to feel.
a) Starting to write a second Romulus storyline for Wolverine?
b) Busy figuring out who Tension-Sheet Hulk is?
c) He doesn't have to, because he wrote Commando and Teen-Wolf?
d) Nobody knows what Ultimatum is about yet?
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