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Subj: Re: Disagree, Re: Fave Character + Good Art = Must Buy?
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 04:12:59 pm EDT (Viewed 109 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Disagree, Re: Fave Character + Good Art = Must Buy?
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 06:51:47 pm EDT (Viewed 107 times)
The complaint was that the story and writing was bad, Azzarelo was the writer. Don't see your reasoning here. Superman is still a popular character, people just want good Superman stories.
Deodato came on towards the end of the run, when Hulk was appearing regularly. Only during the beginning of Jones' run did the Hulk not appear that much. I think the Deodato stories were about the Hulk vs Abomination, and the Hulk vs Iron Man.
That's the reason I brought it up, the Loeb's Hulk and Miller's ASBAR are similar. But alot of people love this series, and are buying it because it is so extreme, just like Loeb's Hulk.
Loeb's job is to sell books. His goal is to tell good stories. He has been a writer for several years, and has written a variety of stories. He knows what he is doing.
So how are we judging the artist's here? By popularity or by clarity? Certain artists are popular but not clear (Bachalo), while others are clear but not popular (Calafiorne).
So what's your current theory on why people pick up books? Originally it was Character+Art, now it's just Characters?
My bad, I meant varied. They artists on New Avengers have been pretty varied, with no one type of style. You said earlier that the style was what makes artists popular.
But if Characters and Art are the most important thing in a person's decision to pick up a title, then story arcs shouldn't matter as long as the characters and the art are the same.
Marvel puts the writer first because they feel it will bring more readers in. It's the same reason why tpbs have the name Bendis, Whedon, or Meltzer in big print. They do those things because they know fans are more likely to respond to the writers.
Because the people on these boards represent a small minority of the overall fans, and are somewhat out of touch with what is popular. When these board do the annual awards, Spider-Girl is often times the winner of things like best series or best female character. Yet the book doesn't sell at all. Just look at how many people here love Nova, yet the book doesn't really sell that much.
Most readers, when they find something they don't like, they don't come on here to bash the books, they simply stop reading it. I stopped reading Amazing Spider-Man because of OMD, but I don't go on the Spider-Man boards here and talk about how much I hate the books, I simply stop reading it.
How many people here continue to buy the books just because that is what they have always done? Alot.
They don't sell well in the monthly format because of not having popular characters, but that's because those books are sold only to comic shops, where 90% of the books sold are superheroes. These books do great in the tpb form because they appeal to a wider range of readers.
You are asking me for something I can't define (bad art). Give me a list of some bad artists. They don't really exist. And of course, popular artists are put on popular characters, just like popular writers are. But your theory is that people don't care about the writer, and I absolutely disagree with that.
Jeantry was an artist that could tell a clear story, but he just wasn't popular after years of doing various Marvel titles.
People love Bendis as a writer. I think you are just one of the people here who is out of touch with what is popular. People buy Bendis's books because they like his writing.
Bendis has worked with alot of artists that aren't exactly A-list, and his books have sold. Bagley wasn't that in demand when he started Ultimate Spider-Man, Jackson Guice on Ultimate Origins isn't popular, etc. Bryan Hitch wasn't popular before he did Ultimates. And there have been Ultimate series that failed because of the writing (like Card's U. Iron Man), so you can't say that all Ultimate stories sell regardless of creative team.
I think during the late 90s, the writers became more important to the fans than artists. Instead of being McFarlane's Spider-Man, or Jim Lee's X-Men, it started to become Morrison's JLA, Kevin Smith's Daredevil, etc.
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