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Subj: Re: Nostalgia's Limits
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 at 04:08:39 pm EDT (Viewed 81 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Nostalgia's Limits
Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 at 05:05:57 am EDT (Viewed 23 times)



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        Many of those examples aren't examples of the new writers mangling the characters, but of the old writers not realizing their mistakes, the old fans running with those mistakes because of familiarity, and the new writers without the blinders of attachment writing the characters as they really are ( as opposed to idealizing them. Despite the nostalgia attached to the old comics, they were just as capable of and proven to dumb story moves. To whit...

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          -- Dr. Doom has a functional reproductive system under his metal suit, has shown interest in the opposite sex with Valeria*, and it is not a stretch to believe that he would have urges and try to fulfil them.

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            -- Monica Rambeau was dignified and graceful to the point of being bland and uninteresting; she came across as the stereotypical Model Minority character, the character who's acceptable for their race because they never call attention to it. Ellis' NextWave characterization made her interesting by taking a goody-two-shoes persona and making it that of a self-righteous has-been. It worked very well in the context.

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              -- The Wasp never had any qualities even remotely approaching those required of an Avengers leader, and never showed any strategic acumen beyond somehow managing to allow her team to survive. Her first years were as little more than a ditz; the problem wasn't modern writers making her a ditz, but the 80's and 90's writers thinking she could be anything more after two decades of ditziness.

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        She was also kind of... well, a bitch. Doing such things as insulting Iron man by calling him ugly before he revealed himself as Tony Stark. She also flirted with any male with a pulse for a while. And let's not forget her lack of understanding for Hank Pym still grieving over his deceased wife.



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    oh and also, she was stupid enough to accept a marriage proposal from a man who was very clearly off his rocker, by cause of some nutso gas.


I don't know that I'd classify it as stupid, so much as just plain disturbed on her part. In retrospect, one can easily view that as her taking advantage of Pym in his mentally impaired state.


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        -- The absolutist stance Clint Barton took against his wife killing the man who kidnapped, drugged, and raped her was profoundly dumb; even a staunch pacifist would ideally be able to forgive. That he's become less whiny about getting his hands dirty seems inevitable, especially in the case of the Skrulls invading the entire world ( exceptions made for heat-of-battle situations ).

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          -- You have a point that Spider-Man has been ruined, but the rest were cases where the original material had faults, and the modern writers pointing it out.



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