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Jase

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jwmccay3

Subj: Re: When bad characterization becomes the norm
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 at 07:16:05 pm EDT (Viewed 89 times)
Reply Subj: Re: When bad characterization becomes the norm
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 at 07:54:54 pm EDT (Viewed 156 times)



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    Great points. Yeah, there are a few others.



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    Tony Stark/Iron Man
    Millionaire, playboy, powerful with the armor, powerful in the boardroom or in politics, happy-go-lucky and cocky at times, drukard at others. Has been used as a total tool lately, someone that no one wants to look at and say "I want to be him." He's become more of a government lackey, which is bad for a number of reasons...first off, being the lack of resourcefulness and thinking, then the incompetence and unprepared decision-making skills, and finally the inefficiency of the job...all of which were not very much like Tony at his height.


Gotta agree with most points here. Just speaking for me, but ever since The Crossing, I just a lot whole lot of interest in Iron Man as an individual character and haven't cared to see him in anything other than a component of the Avengers Big Three and no run on the book since has really brought me back to the title. The best Iron Man I've seen in recent years was the one from the movie.


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    Spider-Man
    The directions that the writers have taken in the last ten years have made me want to gag and wish for the days of the whole "Second Clone Saga" that everyone back then abhorred...the new direction over the years has just been horrible and led me away from my favorite character. There are many examples, but I'll just list a few--Spider-Cult storyline, the MK Spider-Man "all my villains are themed as animals because of a Norman Osborn-inspired government conspiracy," Gwen Stacy having twins with Norman Osborn (bull--where did we ever see Norman-Gwen contact back in the day???), Spidey making a deal with the devil, Spidey nearly killing the Kingpin, Spidey joining the Avengers (can you say "JUMPING THE SHARK" there Fonz...er, Quesada), marriage goes away, and more. Then there is the art...some of you may like Romita Jr. but his art really bites and I find it is a distraction from the stories, but hey, maybe that's a good thing considering the crap that has been dished out.


Must not get started on Spidey...

But I will say though that I love JRjr.'s art, though I do wanna see him on characters other than Spidey. He did an awesome job with characters like Thor and the Eternals, and his version of Iron Man's armor during Armor Wars II is still one of my favorites. It had just the right mix of sleek and bulk to it.


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    Nick Fury
    Yeah, I know that he has always been a gov't spook, but the Secret Warriors thing may be taking it a little too far. Add to it the MAX Fury (not Peacemaker) and the Secret War Fury and you have a mess for the character. Yeah, I know that MAX is not 616, but new fans would not know that. He was basically invisible during Civil War and World War Hulk.


I don't think that many people even remember enough of MAX Fury for it to be a problem. IMO, the bigger problem in terms of recognizability for the character is Ultimate Fury.


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    Dr. Strange
    Totally misplaced on the Avengers. I always pictured Doc as part of the non-team of Defenders...there when necessary, but busy acting as SORCEROR SUPREME, not as a team magician on the run.


I also preferred Doc on the Defenders. Still, Doc on Avengers COULD have worked, and could still one day. But it was the wrong era of Avengers for him to join and be relevant. Doc is(or was) the sorceror supreme, he should be on a big guns team handling big, earth-shattering threats, not joining a street-level Avengers where he had to be de-powered to fit and where his biggest contribution was giving the team a meeting place.


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    The Avengers
    What exactly is the mission and purpose of the Avengers? What have they avenged? Cap's death--nope. Scarlet Witch wiping out mutantkind--nope. Taking the fight to the Skrulls and OFF THE FREAKING PLANET LIKE THEY USED TO--nope. Will they avenge the atrocities committed by Dark Reign? Too early to tell, but I will hazard a guess--a big NOPE.
    Too many teams with no common purpose, no common foe (okay, the Skrulls, but that was different--they all had their own little battles). At least when there was West Coast and East Coast branches they had a common purpose.


Avengers doesn't have the kind of detailed, focused reason for being of teams like FF and the X-Men...but has never really needed it, IMO. I'm happy with it being about a team handling threats a single hero can't, in a cinematic, action-adventure style approach. Avengers New or Dark don't intrigue me in the slightest. Mighty Avengers would have been a reasonable alternative, but there aren't enough characters I care about on the team(Clint Barton and Mockingbird for instance would be much better suited to a team like MA, IMO).