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mjyoung

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Evil G:DR

Subj: Re: The King of Space
Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:31:20 pm EDT (Viewed 49 times)
Reply Subj: The King of Space
Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 07:35:50 pm EDT (Viewed 16 times)



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    Annihilation ended with the Kree signing an armistice which ceded half their territory to the invading forces from the Negative Zone. So there's precedent for a cosmic epic to end without one side utterly crushed.


I was thinking more of Annihilus getting killed. With these types of stories (minis, events) you have to reach a definite conclusion. The central conflict has to be resolved. One side is going to have to lose in Civil War, skrulls have to be defeated in Secret Invasion, etc.


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    If he's the underdog by #4 of 6, and the deck is already that stacked against him, either he's got secret weapons and plans we have yet to see, or he's got to pull out a shock win in the finale. They're (hopefully) not going to telegraph the ending that early on.


The nature of these stories is that the bad guy will be defeated, we know Nova's side will beat Annihilus.

At this point of the story, Vulcan isn't really the underdog, he has yet to even have a real defeat. He just killed his biggest adversary in this issue. But because we see all the sides of this story, we can see that it's all leading up to his defeat. We see that his forces are depleted, we see that he is a horrible tactician, we see that he even lost his greatest warrior, and so on.


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    Let's look at the example of the Green Goblin in the Spider-Man books, since his return in 1996, he'd lost a number of times, but Peter had never managed to bring him down and expose him as Norman Osborn. By 2004, we may well have reached a point when "you have to satisfy the audience", but were they satisfied by having Norman taken down by Cage instead of Spidey? No.


The nature of stories in ongoings are different from stories in limited series. If War of Kings took place in the GotG series, I could see Vulcan being a more long term threat. But since it's a limited event, I see the character getting a definite conclusion.

I'm not going to 100% assume that he will die, but I can't think of a real reason for keeping him around. Obviously his opponents have no trouble with the decision to kill him, whether it's Gladiator, BB, Havok, Nova, or the GotG. I don't see the long term interest being high enough for the character that (enough) people will miss him if he dies. I think this is the peak for the character.


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    Likewise, we've had several years of conflict between Vulcan and the X-Men/Starjammers. For Black Bolt, or Gladiator for that matter, to be the ones to hand Vulcan his big defeat, would be utterly wrong, since that's a storyline in which, when it does come, Xavier, and probably Cyclops as well, need to be around alongside Havok.


But they moved Vulcan out of the X-universe and into the cosmic section, so he is fair game for any of these characters. The X-universe has had it's chance to tell stories with Vulcan, but they didn't choose to do it. While it would have made sense for Xavier and Cyclops to be a part of this, they aren't.


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    The Inhumans have gone from peaceful isolationists to hardcore warriors who are killing everyone who gets in their way, and conquering the Kree, and that's not noticeably a drastic change to you? You really don't think at some point it's going to bite them?


I think it's in character considering what the Inhumans have been through. At some point they have to fight instead of always running away. I don't think their actions will come back to haunt them since fans seem to support them. They are the clear "good guys" in this story.


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    Also, there's more of a story in "Vulcan wins, Earth is his next target" than in derailing his saga here.


I disagree, again, I think this is the peak of the character. World War Vulcan would be much more interesting if he was some kind of legitament threat, with being a strong tactician, having allies, etc. He he isn't. He is a bad leader, who acts childishly without any real plan.


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    Unless War of Kings is going to be used to launch another Inhumans book, it doesn't matter so much if they lose, so long as the core Inhumans survive. It's not like Black Bolt even has to lose in personal combat to lose the war. If Vulcan loses the war, a storyline that's been building for years gets derailed, and we don't get to see him roll up on Earth as the undisputed King of Space.


I just think that BB in particular has had too many loses, with Silent War, Secret Invasion, failures of the Illuminati. He needs a clear win. BB isn't that deep of a character, and one of his defining qualities is that he is "the perfect king". Take that away, and he doesn't really have much going for him.



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