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Jase

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Nitz the Bloody

Subj: Re: Voice-Casting the Thor Cartoon
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 at 02:16:09 pm EDT (Viewed 107 times)
Reply Subj: Voice-Casting the Thor Cartoon
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 at 11:10:55 am EDT (Viewed 112 times)



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    Ultimate Thor kind of gets around that by having him hang out with his groupies when he's not giving environmental lectures/magic disaster relief/ass-whoopings. " Kind of " means YMMV; however, while full-time celebrity superheroes are part and parcel of contemporary superhero comics now, the movies and cartoons tend to retain secret identities.


The Iron Man movie at least looks to be moving away from that, but it remains to be seen how that'll turn out. Personally, I think w/ certain select cases notwithstanding, that this approach is a creative deadend that media adaptations have wisely stayed away from until now.


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    Personally I've gotten sick of celebrity superheroes after Matt Fraction and Greg Land showed us the dead end it leads to, but I'd give an Ultimate Thor movie a shot.


I've been sick of it since Daredevil, to be honest. It was a waste when they did it to Spider-Man, Steve Rogers arguably(and I stress 'arguably') doesn't need one, but Iron Man in particular was more interesting with it than he is without it IMHO. While there's always a certain amount of contrivance when heroes w/ secret identities interact w/ the same individuals in and out of costume, w/ Stark posing as his own employee, he HAD to interact w/ a lot of the same people, which could lead to very interesting character interactions. There's still a lot of untapped potential in that set-up, IMO.

I'll admit, not every hero needs that, though. The Fantastic Four are the greatest successful example of public identity superheroes. The fugitive aspect to the Hulk actually works a lot better w/ the knowledge of Banner = Hulk in the public domain. I also think there might be some mileage in that actor/superhero thing Wonder Man has going for him.


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    The lack of the Super-Soldier Backstory would mean that they'd have to drastically change the set-up, but in a world where we've walked on the moon and mapped the human genome, not everyone is going to see Thor and immediately assume " God ", so that thread could be used. Joe Casey toyed with it pretty well in the first Earth's Mightiest Heroes mini, and there he was working in the actual Marvel Universe.


That's true, but it's just such a small aspect to Thor to try and utilize for his first feature film. I'm not opposed to people being skeptical as to Thor's claims of godhood, but without the Ultimates/Avengers as a supporting cast, to try and rest the foundation of the movie upon that, that's what I'm against - it's like a house with a foundation of sand.

Still, that's not to say they CAN'T do the movie w/ the god Thor wandering the streets of Manhattan most the time. It's difficult IMO, but not impossible. Like this scene from the criminally underrated Whom The Gods Would Destroy -

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Of course, that last panel does bring Blake back into the picture...


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    He doesn't have anywhere near the amount of material as his predecessor, but I think UltThor provides a good starting point for how to play the character in a modern setting.


It is, in terms of vernacular and aesthetics. I just don't think there's much plot-wise they can use for the film.


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      And while even I'd sub in the Ultimate costume for adaptation purposes, gimme that brick on a stick any day over the wannabe axe. \:\-D



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    Could we compromise by altering the Ultimate Mjolnir so that both heads are blunt, similar to that of Perun ( the KGB Thor counterpart in the final Ultimates 2 arc )?


Mjolnir forever! \:\-P

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      Besides, between the two hammers, the Kirby design is just the far more recognizable version, even outside of comics. And it doesn't really help the case for the axe when even Ultimate Thor is now using the classic hammer design...



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    I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with there being an Ultimate Thor following the end of Ultimates 2. If there were, I imagine that he'd at least use a different hammer than the classic one, so that he wouldn't just be a watered-down version of his predecessor. Similarly, I'd expect that Iron Man would not start using the exact same color scheme of the Classic version, nor would the Scarlet Witch once again dress like a 14-year-old's conception of a gypsy woman. After all, those would confirm that the unique aspects of the Ultimates would have been excised, leaving us with nothing more than potty-mouthed Xeroxes of the Avengers. But certainly the Ultimate line would never end up like that, yes?



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    ( Wow, that was a lot of sarcasm, even for me ) \:P


Bitter much? ;\)

That's ok, even Thor can't make heads or tails of the Ultimate U anymore -

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    A straightforward adaptation of a Lee/Kirby or Simonson story would be ideal, but just wouldn't happen. Already the change of mediums means a change of storytelling rules, and that gets even more pronounced when you're doing a movie with a 100M budget, and are expected to turn a profit.



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    Plus, I think part of the fun of adaptation is the way things can change, so while it would never be a replication of the classic material, it could offer something unexpected. They couldn't do a straight UltThor any more than they could do a straight Lee/Kirby Thor or a straight Simonson Thor, but distilling all the good parts and eliminating the weaker aspects of the character's history is something worth shooting for.


Ideally, that's what all the creative teams working on adaptations of the Marvel characters for different media should aspire to - not unlike the Bruce Timm DC animated universe.


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      I like the Blum idea for Loki. Likewise Perlman as Thor. I almost think I'd rather John Rhys-Davies for Odin, though. And I can really hear Maria Canals as Sif. Or maybe Brunhilde the Valkyrie.



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    I absolutely love voice-casting comic characters, and have extensive lists of possible candidates for my own comics, so here's what I've come up with for Thor ( and good pick with Maria Canals as Sif );



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    BALDER: Wil Wheaton's managed to move past his infamy for Wesley Crusher with a variety of animated roles playing young(ish, in Balder's case ), good-tempered male heroes; he might do well here.


Wheaton might not be bad. I actually think there are a lot of great choices for Balder out there. I almost think Crispin Freeman, Brad Swaile, or Kyle Hebert could do a good job too.

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    WARRIORS THREE: Fandral could be Mandy Patinkin, a.k.a. Inigo Montoya. Volstagg could either be another Jon DiMaggio role ( though I already " used " him on Hercules ), or could be done by David Lodge, a.k.a. Jiriya from Naruto. And while I haven't seen the Thor segment in Hulk Vs., their casting of Paul Dobson seems perfect for Hogun.


Yes to Dobson. I think DiMaggio could pull both roles off. Fandral...hell, although he's done limited voice work, I'd throw Cary Elwes in the running for that role too.


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    AMORA: Another VA from Hulk Vs. is my first choice; Kari Wahlgren, whose vocal versatility could handle the Enchantress' complexities.


Wow, that IS a good pick! Hopefully they keep her for the animated series!

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    SKURGE: Kirk Thornton is well-known for his grizzled voices, so playing Skurge like Kisame from Naruto would work.


I also like Clancy Brown(Lex Luthor, Gorrath) for Skurge. Come on, he was The Kurgan!

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    ARES: Terrence C. Carson's voice as Kratos in the God of War video games redefined the Spartan heroic sociopath ( there was an Ares in the first game by Steve Blum, but as the straight villain ).



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    HELA: Grey DeLisle ( Azula from Avatar, Mandy from the Grim Adventures of Billy and Many, the Baroness in the G.I. JOE Resolute web-toon, amongst others ) has seemingly redefined the evil bit-ka for countless generations of Western Animation



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    SURTUR: Kevin Michael Richardson did the same basic thing as Trigon in the Teen Titans cartoon, and has done really deep evil voices elsewhere on many an occasion, so yeah.


Michael Ironside would make another good candidate too.

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    Any other characters/series to cast?


At the moment, I'll stick w/ Thor(though I'm tempted to say we should do a proper Avengers next):

Heimdall - Kim Strauss does a super deep voice for Komamura and Kaien on the Bleach english dub that I could totally hear him as the ultra-serious Heimdall.

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Vizier - Steve Kramer makes a living off of doing old dudes.

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Karnilla - Mary Elizabeth McGlynn would be great for the woman who's all over Balder.

Lorelei - Karen Strassman could be a possibility as Amora's younger sister.

Jormungand the Midgard Serpent - I think Doug Erholtz or Liam O'Brien could be interesting as Loki's largest child.

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Beta Ray Bill - Let's say Michael Dorn.

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Still need a good pick for Ulik too...


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    ( By the way, Jase, have you managed to read Ch. 8 of my comic yet? )


I have. I really like the first page w/ Jiro and Jens, probably the best first page yet. And your crew looks pretty boned at the end!



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