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Subj: Re: Good standalone trades?
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:38:01 am EDT (Viewed 85 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Good standalone trades?
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:58:36 am EDT (Viewed 73 times)

    The Marvel characters have the advantage of more recent adaptations, but only a few of them have really crystallized in popular imagination. The Hulk has the famed TV show, and Spider-Man had his Amazing Friends, but nothing on the level of the 60's Batman show ( awful as it was ), the Christopher Reeve Superman movies, or even the Super Friends.

The problem here is that you are referencing things that came out decades ago. And that age group is no longer the target for these superhero cartoons and movies. Let's use the example of the Wonder Woman television show with Lynda Carter, which ran from 1975-1979. If a person was 10 years old when the show came on and therefore born in 1965, that person is 44 years old today. That person isn't going to be the demographic a Wonder Woman movie. He certainly isn't the target of a WW cartoon show.

Pop culture is always skewed to the younger generations. MMA popular because it has the young crowd, Boxing is a dieing sport because it doesn't have the young crowd. Even if you want to say that Marvel's movie domination is a only "recent", it's been 10 years, a long time in pop culture. I'm a 25 year old comic fan, and I've never seen episodes of the Hulk, WonderWoman, and SpiderMan and his Amazing friends. I've only seen the first Superman movie. How many people under the age of 20 have seen an episode of the Superfriends? 1% maybe?

    Also, versatility doesn't seem to have hurt the success of either the new Batman movies or the Brave and the Bold cartoon. I actually think Wolverine is one the few Marvel characters who has remained so undiluted; even though some writers have been content to clutter his backstory with all sorts of nonsense, the basics of the character are " mysterious past, claws and healing power, bad attitude, heart of gold ". I suppose there's a similar dynamic with Hugh Jackman's live-action Wolverine and the current animated character with Steve Blum's voice; both are valid, even if they're targetting different audiences ( movie Wolverine; 18-34 year old action movie fans and Jackman groupies, cartoon Wolverine; kids and teens, some adults who don't repress their interests, and Blum groupies )

Well I'm not sure how you are calling the Brave and the Bold a success. It's just nearing the end of it's first 26 episode season, with no official announcement yet that a second season is coming (though probably at SD Comiccon) It's also on at 8:30pm on the Cartoon Network, and I'm not sure if it's target audience is actually kids. Though as a primetime cable show, I'm not sure what CN considers success. Usually a cartoon is considered successful when they hit 100 episodes, because of syndication.

    I like it because it democratizes the characters so that everyone has their own Wolverine; even in the comics, it means that if you don't like, say, Daniel Way's atavistic backstory expansions and crossover tie-ins, you get Jason Aaron doing a really realistic and effective series with Logan only costumed in black.

And I think having these radically different characters ultimately hurts the characters. The three most successful supeheroes are Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man. All three have a pretty small differentiation between media. They all basically look the same regardless of media. They all act relatively the same. And so on. Even TDK, while a dark film, still had a Batman that "closely" resembled his appearances in the comics.

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