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Subj: Re: Because they aren't
Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 02:58:10 pm EDT (Viewed 198 times)
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:52:49 pm EDT (Viewed 214 times)


      What exactly would it take to make Panther and Storm top-tier characters...not only in the Marvel Universe but in society's collective mind?

    It would take alot, because there are several problems with the characters if you want to make them popular. How many people say that Storm and BP are their favorite characters? If so, why do they like them?

    One huge problem with both is that neither really has a good or popular personality. While they both have distinct personality, BP is perfect, Storm is motherly, neither is really very good from a story telling perspective. So you would have to fix that.

What makes Black Panther hard to relate to IMO is rather similar to what makes Wonder Woman hard to relate to for a lot of readers - he is a bit too perfect because he is treated as an icon for an entire race or continent (just as Wonder Woman is treated as an icon for an entire gender).

Storm is also somewhat idealized as a character, though not to the same extent and she has some quirks and weaknesses. BTW, she never really struck me as particularly motherly except in her relationship to Kitty during the 1980s.

    Stories with royalty isn't really that exciting anymore, nor unique. There are various kingly superheroes. It restricts the storylines somewhat, but doesn't replace them with any good storylines. No one wants to read about King Aquaman, and JMS was wise to drop the King Thor Ruler or Asgard thing pretty early.

    Being based in a small African county isn't a selling point as well. Readers have problems relating to characters from exotic locations.

I disagree. People can relate to characters from exotic locations (e.g. Conan, Xena, Tarzan), and playing up the part of Black Panther as a king with intrigue and big political decisions was IIRC one of the big selling points during Priest's run. The problem is probably more that Wakanda really is disconnected from the real world; I've compared BP to WW above, I think you also can see Wakanda as an analog to Paradise Island/Themyscira, a utopian alternative fictional society (what a sub-Saharan African nation might have become had there been a part of sub-Saharan Africa spared from colonialism, imperialism etc. and if they also had a unique natural resource that had given them economic muscle).


      What would it take to make society stop and say "Wow...Panther and Storm are cool!" \(\?\)

    Make the cool. In stories, especially visual ones, it's always a better idea to "show instead of tell". Don't just tell me BP is cool, but show me.

    The marriage was a huge mistake, and really harmed BP as a solo character. I think the best thing right now would just be to have them join an Avengers team (Mighty?), and just take Storm completely away from the X-Men.

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