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Nitz the Bloody

In Reply To
Kieran Frost

Subj: Re: No-one's denying women the vote here. If they wanted to read a comic... all they need do is pick one up. The fact is most JUST DON'T WANT TO. ; )
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 at 04:55:49 pm EDT (Viewed 192 times)
Reply Subj: No-one's denying women the vote here. If they wanted to read a comic... all they need do is pick one up. The fact is most JUST DON'T WANT TO. ; )
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 at 06:34:37 pm EDT (Viewed 200 times)

>> a) No-one is saying women are "less than" and therefore lack the "right" to read a comic.  No-one is insulting women.  If all women want to pick up the next issue ofThunderbolts = then power to them... I would LOVE my favourite comic to be catapulted into the number 1 selling spot by women.  I would absolutely LOVE IT!  If the fan base of Thunderbolts consisted of me, Rev, Dermie and women (while still remaining the same comic) I would be a happy chappy.

No, but there's a lot of generalizations about what comics can be, what women want to read, and all the space in between.

>> b) "privilege"? Women have the ability to pick up and comic, purchase it, then read it; don't they? The fact is they don't want to. It has nothing to do with the privileged or lack there of. It has to do with women, by and large, not being "action" fans (Marvel comics being an action based genre).

So women have the right to pick up comics, but comics are written for men because women don't read comics, and women don't read comics because comics are for men....tautology, anyone?

>> c) "you didn't have to read it if you didn't want to" Good point! So... if women "don't want to read comics" as they stand... they don't have to \:P It's their choice. It's their right. And quite clearly women CHOOSE not to read comics. I posted a poll on the Ms. Marvel Message Board about who is male and female. So far only TWO posters (on a female lead comic) are women. The rest all men. What does that tell you? That women lack the capacity to reply to a poll? That women are "intimidated" by the boys club Ms. Marvel Message Board ;) Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, it says most comic readers are men... even in a female lead book. \:P

So the way things are is the way things  always can and will be?

>> I hope you want Marvel Divas "jettisoned" on the same grounds? And the View? And all Sex and the City films? And all Barbie Dolls? And all Nancy Drew novels? Because heaven forbid we think of men and women as different! I ask you this: how can you defend women only wanting to read "female" characters, and yet say things should never be just for one gender (implying all things should be equal, regardless of gender)? That's seems like a mixed message to me. ;\)

Because I don't think women only want to read female characters and stories about feelings, rather that those concepts shouldn't be so marginalized ( and I think Marvel Divas is a very half-assed gesture on Marvel's part that works under the same generalizations )

>> The fact is you are desperately looking for unfounded misogyny, where it doesn't exist... when the cold hard truth is: women, by and large, just don't want to read comics.  And I'd yet to see anyone contradict or deny that statement.  \:\)   Do you honestly think Marvel WOULDN'T try and cash in on 50% of the population, if they could?   Are you that naive?

Women don't want to read comics, so thus all the women who've read Fruits Basket, Inuyasha, CLAMP's comics, Sandman, Fun Home, Ghost World, comics from Oni Press, and even bits and pieces of Marvel ( most notably stuff like the Claremont X-Men ) have to be men in drag? 

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