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Subj: Re: Responses to all the above posters.
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 at 09:22:04 pm EDT (Viewed 136 times)
Reply Subj: Responses to all the above posters.
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 at 10:16:33 am EDT (Viewed 168 times)
Quote:MI13's appeal is simply too narrow in my opinion. I'm pretty sure the writing has to be considered excellent by any objective standard but is excellent writing alone enough to carry a title if enough people just dont know or care about the characters or the locale? Does the same apply for Alpha?
MI13 failed for two reasons. The first was because of the story structure, where the story arcs had to be tighter. You simply can't have a 5 issue story about Plokta and expect to keep fans interested. The second reason was because the main character, Captain Britain, wasn't made to be that interesting, no spotlight was put on his personality, and he didn't have any interesting relationships.
Quote:Traditionally 'anthology' series that share the page count amongst several characters or teams dont do very well - look at the likes of Marvel Team-up and Marvel Comics Presents. In fairness I liked both of the most recent volumes of those titles because they appeal to me personally but judging by how poorly they performed they dont appeal to a wider audience. Objectively would fans really go for a title that spotlights several teams instead of concentrating on just one or is that spreading things just a little too thin?
No they wouldn't, which is why anthologies fail. You are paying full price for only 8 pages of story that you really care about.
Quote:'Bad writing' may have played a part in some cases - because god knows theres been some - but can we say that about Dan Slotts or Peter Davids She-Hulk or Huston and Bensons Moonknight or Abnetts Guardians of the Galaxy? These books appear to have actually been very well written for the most part but still couldnt sell. So if the quality of the writing isnt in question could it be that these characters just dont have the appeal they once did? I'm tempted to believe yes and that like everything else in the world comics are subject to changing trends and demands.
I think it's a mistake to assume it wasn't the writing. With all of these books, I can tell you (objectively) major flaws in the writing. For instance, Slott's She Hulk was critically acclaimed, and people loved the book with its mixture of comedy, law, and superheroes. So how did PAD follow that up? But removing the law and humor elements and just making it a title about She-Hulk. That's not appealing.
Quote:Whilst I personally probably would at least try a new volume of Alpha Flight I'm more interested in how the comic reading public at large could be expected to react. Would a new Alpha title carry enough appeal to draw in enough readers to make it sustainable if not massively successful?
Agreed, this is a much better discussion.
Quote:You mention finding a 'niche' but what niche could an alpha book fill? Surely the success of books like the Avengers and the X-Men isnt so much that they found a 'niche' (as in a distinct segment of the market) but in the fact that they managed to appeal to a wide segment of the market? Is a 'niche' enough to make Alpha sustainable or does it need to learn to have broader appeal? Is that possible?
I don't know what purpose Alpha Flight would need, but it would have to be two things
a) good - a purpose that enough people want to read about and is interesting enough
b) unique - a purpose that is, for the most part, unique enough as to not be copied or be a copy of.
Quote:I agree that a high profile creative team would help although I also agree with your statement that there doesnt appeal to be a high profile team out there with any real love for the concepts who would want to pilot another attempt at a book. For the record I thought the team of Oeming and Kollins was pretty high profile - not Millar and Hitch high profile but about as high profile as an Alpha Flight franchise could perhaps expect - but certainly a talented duo.
A creative team with maybe a 40K max potential? With an even lower max depending on the title. An AF title with Oeming and Kollins wouldn't last long. Kind of shocking the drop that Kollins has taken over the last few years.
Quote:I honestly didnt know the answer to that for sure. It was my guess that Americans wouldnt want to read about an international team although by that reasoning I as a Brit shouldnt want to read about an American team like the Avengers (ignoring the fact i have no choice in what is an American industry). Is that the general consensus amongst American fans?
I think so. And part of the reason is because American entertainment and culture is so well known throughout the world. How many Americans can name a BBC show? Probably very little. How many Brits can name an American show? Almost all.
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