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Nitz the Bloody

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Subj: Re: Can you try differently
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 06:04:19 pm EDT (Viewed 157 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Can you try differently
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 05:18:35 pm EDT (Viewed 165 times)

    SEHS66 did not even make clear what criteria s/he applied, but somehow you know that merely because of their cover-date Marvel's current books should be exempt from them? What a cop-out. You might as well say "you just haven't lowered your standards and expectations enough". Besides, it is not as if all Marvel's current titles are so "modern" or "avantgarde" that a completely different set of standards and criteria must be applied to them (assuming that argument was valid), they also do quite a bit of "retro" stuff, and not just in the "Forever" titles. The current Spider-Man for instance is by Marvel's own admission an attempt to recreate the 1970s and 1980s Spider-Man. And there are still a lot of writers from the pre-Quesada days working for Marvel whose writing (plotting and scripting) did not change so dramatically that a whole new perceptual standard needs to be applied.

I didn't say that SEHS66 should automatically like everything Marvel's writing, just that

A.) The standards used for judging modern Marvel books are different. Not necessarily lower or higher, but different. Trends in comic book writing, trends comic book illustration, the continuity the characters have accumulated, the way their history is re-interpreted by textual and extratextual factors, the shape of pop culture, and especially the target audience are substantially different now than they would have been ten years ago, and much different than they were 20 years ago.

B.) I'm familiar enough with SEHS66's posts to know that s/he hasn't liked any of the newer stuff Marvel's put out ( beyond the deliberately retro material ), but hasn't left the forums and doesn't contribute much to the discussions beyond complaining about how the books aren't as good as they used to be.

C.) Many of Marvel's current titles are different enough ( and I don't say " avantgarde ", but different ) from older Marvel storytelling methods that they deserve different modes of consideration. Daredevil, for example, hasn't been a traditional superhero comic in years-- all its writers have focused less on heroic adventure and more on simply destroying Matt Murdock, to the point where he doesn't even bother using a civilian identity. Ed Brubaker's Captain America reads more like an espionage story with superhero elements than a straight superhero story; the same can be said for Matt Fraction's Invincible Iron Man. The Ultimate books took drastic liberties reinterpreting or excising genre tropes. And Thor's pretty much dropped costumed vigilantism in his adventures, except when he happens to be in the area.