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Subj: Re: I'd like an opinion on an idea I have for a fanfic involving Frank Castle, and X-23
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 01:29:43 pm EDT (Viewed 84 times)
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It would take place about 20 years from now. And would be in another Marvel Universe. I'd call it Earth 619, in this storyline involving, Frank Castle, Mutants, and trans-humanism (which would apply to Deadpool). We have Frank Castle pushing the boundries of what he can do at his age.

He encounters, of all people, Deadpool. He has been contracted to not kill Frank, but recruit him. This is a much older, and different Deadpool than you'd be used to. He is still the lovable merc-with-a-mouth, but wise beyond his years now. Him and Wolverine have been following Frank for some time now. Recently Bullseye took a shoot at Frank Castle, and this was not the Bullseye we know. This one has been given a trans-humanistic genetic therapy. He is faster, stronger, and heals at 1/3 the rate of Wolverine, and 1/6th the rate of Deadpool. Although he is classified as a transhuman like Deadpool.

He took a shot, and against all odds a 72 year old Frank Castle managed to defeat him, after loosing his left pinky, an eye, some teeth, and possibly irrepairable damage to his his right knee. On top of this during the fight he took a slam into a car from 3 stories. His extremely advanced body armor he uses protected most of it. But he slipped several discs and is having trouble walking. Still, he gets word from an old friend (Fury) that there are people looking to end him. Not only that, Fury sends Frank a message that "You hold the key to far more than you ever realized. I know something that you don't know about yourself Frank. How can someone who has taken so much damage still kill better than men 1/3 his age, how is it time and again you have taken out some of the toughest mobsters and villians to date? You know deep down why Frank, it is just buried. And you know you are something more than human. Deadpool is on his way to bring you to me. Please don't make use take you by force."

Upon encoutnering not only Deadpool, but Daken, X-23, and Wolverine, over the course of several chapters. He defeats Deadpool, Daken, Wolverine, but is ultimately led into a trap by none other than Steve Rogers, and X-23. Little did they know a certain friend is also helping Frank figure all of this out. Daredevil, who owes Frank a debt of that I want to elaborate on in a prequel. There is some alluded to what it is, but DD's involvement is only to show that Frank in this universe has reconciled many things in his older age and that Daredevil, having faced darkness himself has a better understanding and respect for Frank.

A battle between Frank's expert strategies v.s Cap's physical and ageless superiority as well as battlefield analysis that rivals Frank's and even Batman's (not to digress into DC). Daredevil does his best to hold off X-23, Wolverine, and Daken, and despite an impressive showing for a now 55 year old superhero (who hasn't slowed down a tick). The fight gets a final interuption from Spider-Man, who has just swinging by.

He, Daredevil, and Wolverine and Cap come to the conclusion that we all need to settle down and talk about this. Frank and Daken disagree, as in this universe, Daken is the only one that came the closest to killing him, slicing open his neck enough that Frank's voice has gotten even gritter and bears a wicked scar. Of course, Daken taunts Frank with this and before he realizes it he is on the ground with a dart that is designed by Reed Richards himself to negate a healing factor, he puts a pullet near Daken's left cheek, Daken in a rage lunges into Frank. Frank does his best to find it off, but Daken's claws dig right through Frank's chest.

Frank later awakes at the Baxter Building. Captain America, Deadpool, X-23 (now looking more like a lady in her early-to-mid 20s). Give Frank a rundown on why they needed to track him down and why he is so crucial to the upcoming events that they have all predicted. Tony Stark appears via hologram to tell Frank that he is, for the first time ever, one of them now, and that they need him. Frank is not liking this idea at all, and is already planning his escape.

X-23 senses this more than anyone. More than anyone in the room, or anyone that has come across Frank's life, has she known what it is like to be a weapon-born. Frank is about to reject everything and get ready to set his escape plan into motion (which I won't elaborate too much), when X-23 asks everyone to leave the room. Frank looks deep into her eyes and sees something he hasn't seen in a long time, understanding.

Then Frank looks in the mirror and sees that not only has the majority of his right hand grown back, but the massive-gaping chest wound is gone. X-23 begins a conversation with Frank that talks about her genetic history, as well as the rest of the "claw-pack" (Sabretooth, Daken, Wolverine, Sasquatch, Wild Child?, anyway, you get the point). And as she continues she leans in close and whispers into Frank's ear that she found something out about him that Reed Richards and Dr. Strange have kept locked away nice and tight for over 30 years. And it that this entire file is considered "crucial to mankind's continued existence" and has never been shared with anyone else. Frank, not believing a word gives a speech about how he is done being the pawn of the system as far back as 'Nam. X-23 rebukes with the fact that as clever as he is, he hasn't much time left, with and without their intervention he would likely have died right there. Frank just gives her a blank stare.

X-23 shares her story, Frank, feeling something he quite hasn't felt before, or it has been so long he has forgotten how, felt some empathy towards her. He started to share his stories, and before he knew it he was telling the tale of Born.

Right then, Reed Richards, Dr. Strange, and Tony Stark walk in. They each give their speeches about how they have always had respect for one another (which Frank cynically replies that his boots are in the corner of the room if they want to keep boot-lickin'), despite the disagreements. They go over a statistical analysis of how many kills Frank has wracked up. Then they go back to what happened with Bullseye.

"He has become something more than human Frank. Not a mutant like X-23, Daken, or Wolverine, but something else. But very similiar. It's called trans-humanism, and you are now one of the few others on the planet."

He shows Frank a mirror and he sees virtually no wrinkles. His muscles, torn, ripped, in constant agony, yet still fast and with decades of reflexive experience were once young again. No pain, his hair has gone black, with the smallest of a white streak going along the bottem. His face was no longer a scarred wreck. As he was admiring his new looks, yet confused with a barrage of emotions, X-23 cut Frank across the arm, deep. Reed didn't scream out for her to stop nor anyone else. Right before Frank's eyes his wounds slowly healed back.

"You aren't exactly like the rest of the healing-mutans such as X-23, or Wolverine. But your strength, reflexes, etc. Have reached the same level if not moreso than that of Steve Rogers himself. Who recently had his own treatment. What we are having now is a chaotic reaction between both normal humans and mutants. Although Mutants have failed in trials to give them the same treatment, it seems like what we have found is essentially not only a fountain of youth, but a way for us all to jump ahead in our evolutionary step."

Frank, while secretly enjoying the fact that he is now in a position to continue his work, possibly forever. He is now experencing aspects of his personality that he once thought dead.

This is just a basic starting point to where I'm headed.

Some things that will be happening is that X-23 and Frank Castle start a romantic relationship. Which will have Wolverine twisted in knots. Frank Castle continues his rivalry with Daken, while befriending Deadpool after a long while. My plan is to make this into a 3-4 part book then graphic novel series. That will be "I hope" something that all fans of the Punisher love.

To all those that thing Frank should never have powers, please listen to me. Frank is a shooter, he does what it takes to win. This MU takes place in a world where humans are at the cusp of becoming more than that, to joining our mutant brothers. This is not only a tale of Frank Castle. But how the changes he himself makes, and the unexpected pregnancy he has with X-23 changes both of this people who were once considered killing machines and nothing more. The first Mutant/Trans-Human being will be highly sought after, and Frank and X-23, as well as the X-men, Avengers, Fantastic four, and even Dr. Doom will be seeking to help Frank against threats from all sides, enemies that never gave a thought to Frank before.

The goal is, is to make Frank the pivotal character in this universe. His son, who will have the combined abilities of X-23 and Frank Castle, will be taking a far different course than before. And what happens when Frank and Wolverine now are brother-in-laws? Uncle wolverine coming to visit the family. Deadpool being the best man at Frank's wedding, and behind it all, plenty of people to punish.

And finally, a big fan-fic reveal of why Frank is so sought after to become one of greatest trans-humans and one of the first and most deadly, a man who can rival Cap, Spidey, and DD now in hand-to-hand, and before that, what else does he have that is helping him even become more dangerous than all of them? A human Frank has defeated Wolverine, Spidey, the Hulk and Daredevil all at once. But how, and why? The Dark voice in Born has now been discovered by Reed, and it holds far more consequences than many realize.

Finally, what the hell does Ghost Rider, Damian Hellstorm, Mephisto, and Loki, and soon Daken (with some new toys) all want to do with this hidden power Frank has always had? We'll see. And I hope to have a lot of fun with this fanfic.

It's going to be (what I hope) the most star-crossed Punisher story ever. It will have Frank encountering and dealing with people that many fans think he shouldn't ever deal with. But in this world, trust me, I'm going to make it so it wouldn't make sense without them. I'm taking huge liberties so it is a fanfic and that's all I call it. But I want to really make Frank Castle become one of the big hitters.

Even though I liked Frankencastle, I'm not looking to find a cheesy way to power him up. I want the story to fluidly lead to this moment, that it was inevitble that Frank would carry his mission out forever. Like the Voice promised. The Punisher should be dead many times over, yet he continues, and even at 72 in this book, he is still faster, stronger, and better than anyone. This tale will feater everything from the God of Thunder, to your common mercenary, to ninjas, Elektra. And finally lead to a super-powered serial killer that is going to threaten everyone's way of life.

We will be seeing Frank play with the big boys with a street attitude and a cynical veteran wisdom that will give old heroes new ideas. I am in the process of fleshing this story out and I will in the next few months get a proper synopsis down that will be well edited, and far better written than this drivel.

While my writing style may seem someone pathetic to some of you, trust me, when I really get going, it is one of the few things I have confidence in. And I promise to give it my best. This was entirely written on the fly, so some of the ideas might be jumbled. But let me know what you think, ask me questions to let me clarify, point out any parts I Didn't make any sense \:P or just say "Hey man, that sounds cool, you rock!"
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Have a great day, fellas.

PS: I also got a little fun fanfic I want to do where Frank encounters Freddy, Jason, Ash, and Michael Meyers. I want to do a sequence where Freddy enters Frank's nightmares, and see it compeltely twist around on Kreuger and make him look like a diaper-wearing sissy-man compared to Frank's darkness haha \:D

You know where I stand on the issue of the Punisher having powers but I'd like to try a different tact in how I explain that:

Some people dislike the fact that Frank doesnt have powers because they believe it excludes him from really being able to tackle the kinds of problems they believe a man of his sort would face in the Marvel Universe - for example a crazy Sentry or a rampaging Hulk. Those people would therefore probably consider it 'cool' to have a Frank Castle that could go toe to toe with such enemies.

My opinion is that this wouldnt be 'cool' or interesting at all because all it would do is simply make Frank Castle more like everyone else and less like himself and therefore less unique.

Additionally its not always that interesting to see two titans going toe to toe with each other - weve seen enough of Thor v's Herc or Juggarnaut v's Colossus or Hulk v's Abomination or whatever for it to become somewhat cliche. What IS cool is when someone who by all rights should be completely outclassed overcomes incredible odds - such as when Jim Steranko drew Cap defeating the Hulk years ago.

'David v's Goliath' stuff is far more interesting than 'Goliath v's Goliath' and Frank is the very embodiment of David in so far that he is a pretty much ordinary man who defeats so called undefeatable foes not through brute force but through guile, application, tactics, stealth, endeavor or whatever. The key to helping Frank defeat Golaith therefore isnt to give him the strength or toughness of Goliath but to give him a slingshot and a writer creative enough to provide him with the brains and ability to be able to utilise that slingshot to achieve the seemingly impossible.




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