Dave Galanter
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Subj: Re: I'd like an opinion on an idea I have for a fanfic involving Frank Castle, and X-23
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 at 12:39:39 pm EDT (Viewed 58 times)
Reply Subj: Re: I'd like an opinion on an idea I have for a fanfic involving Frank Castle, and X-23
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 09:22:18 pm EDT (Viewed 2 times)

    I understand and fully respect your opinion. But you seemed to focus more on Frank receiving powers and less on the fact that the rest of the human race is on a fast track as well.

    Logically, Frank would need to jump on the bandwagon himself so he can continue his war. He is a soldier first and foremost, and becoming a transhuman with the vast population of the United States and several other countries is just another weapon at his disposal.

But isnt this really the very basis of the current debate? That working in a city and a world overflowing with super people, Frank Castle is already out of his depth?

The point I would make is that regardless as to whether Frank lived in a place with dozens of super powered people or thousands of super powered people, I'm just not sure that it would be in his character to try and supe himself up just so he could continue to compete on a level playing field.

The mans tenacity, not to mention his stubborness are incredible and despite the fact that in principle at least his foes have been outclassing him for years Frank has never fealt the desire to get a boost to bring him up to speed with them other than perhaps a bigger and better gun and a better plan.

When faced with the 'insumountable' - be that being faced with Spider-man, Wolverine and Daredevil all at the same time as he once was or in your case being faced with a world where even the bog standard crooks have super powers, Franks attitude has always been to find a weakness and really if he had a 'super power' it would be that he almost always does.

    After all, in this fanfic I can't have a 72 year old Frank fighting (the initial) abuse of this next stop in evolution against common thugs that are now essentially at the same level Batman or Captain America is, and beyond.

True enough a 72 year old Frank is perhaps a little too old, although I would love to see a Frank like Clint Eastwoods character Kowalski from 'Gran Torino' who despite not being physically able to compete against his enemies still managed to find a way to take them down even though it meant his own sacrifice in the end. Thats Franks kind of thinking.

    Frank Castle, secretly or no, knew his war would never end. He is, for lack of a better word, a junkie. What happens when the supply of criminals starts declining so much that not only he, but all peacekeeprs now have to look at their lives?

Well the Frank Castle I know if he genuinely found himself in a world with no criminals to hunt would probably just die in his sleep or put a gun in his mouth. That said even in a so called 'utopia' I doubt there could ever really be a complete lack of evil - there will always be someone who needs punishing.

Another thing that only occurred to me after I posted yesterday was the issue of Frank Castle and relationships.

You mention a relationship with X-23 but my thoughts regarded the fact that I'm not sure that Frank Castle could continue being the Punisher if he were actually committed and happy to any degree in a relationship with anyone.

One of the reason that Frank is so successful as the Punisher is firstly because it was the loss of everything he loves that drove him to it and secondly because it is the absence of anything worth loving that allows him to hate so much.

If Frank suddenly found something that could genuinely replace what he had lost even to a degree - a meaningful and loving relationship - then I dont think the Punisher could exist at all because he would no longer have the motivation or be able to give the role his full focus. He wouldnt have a reason to be.

I genuinely believe that this is why apart from a few brief sexual encounters Frank Castle has never had a meaningful or long lasting relationship with anyone since his wife was killed, because he cant.

Take yourself back to page 1 of the Punishers War Journel: "Frank Castle is dead, call me the Punisher..." The two just cant occupy the same space.

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