Marvel Universe >> View Post
Post By
TJ Burns

In Reply To
Reverend Meteor

Subj: Re: Not in my opinion.
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 02:09:47 pm EST (Viewed 135 times)
Reply Subj: Not in my opinion.
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 11:47:40 am EST (Viewed 28 times)

Previous Post

    Personally, I feel he stopped being so by "Unthinkable", if not earlier. Frankly "Unthinkable" seemed like a symptom of the character's exhaustion rather than his actual shark jump moment. Is he still the coolest, and if so, why? Try to keep the evidence from within the last, say, fifteen years.

My first experience with the character was Fantastic Four #350...which utterly turned me off the character for all time. I've never been able to understand the appeal of the character.

Personally I think the coolest is Baron Helmut Zemo. Sure he may wear magenta leather masks and frilly boots. Maybe he doesn't eat peoples brains, he isn't a god, he doesn't have fancy powers, he can't turn a paperclip into a projectile, he doesn't have mastery over the dark all Helmut has to rely on is his brain and his tenacity.

Helmut is IMO the ultimate survivor. He was abused by his father, his mother died, he lost his family wealth, his country was in ruins but still he soldiered on and became an engineer until seeing Cap the man who disfigured his father (and thus turned Heinrich into an abuser) began making headlines. He takes on the identity of the Phoenix and falls into a vat of adhesive X horribly disfiguring his face. Later he was nearly enviscerated by Vermin, given an aneurysm by Mother Superior, fell off the roof of Avengers mansion breaking his neck, buring his hand falling into a volcano, beaten to a pulp by Moonstone, having his head chopped off by Scourge, the death of his wife and the loss of his adopted children...yet he always comes back hungry for more and comes up with schemes like taking the heroes place after Onslaught or seizing Avengers mansion or ruling Counter Earth or seizing the powers of every superbeing on the planet to protect it from the Grandmaster.

To me there is something about him that sets him apart from all the other villains. He's a man of profound contradictions. He's been a father, a son, a husband, an engineer, a hero, a villain, he's been rich, he's been poor, he's been handsome, he's been disfigured...through it all he's grown along the way.

He was right to take Phoenix as his first codename. Helmut always rises from the ashes only to reinvent himself and scheme anew.

OUCH... you have my condolences for that one. FF #350 is an excellent Doom appearance, but only in context. Left to its own like that, I can see your point.

Zemo's a favorite of mine too, but I don't see him as a villain, myself.


Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 8 4.0; on Windows XP
Alvaro's Comicboards powered by On Topic™ © 2003-2022 Powermad Software
All the content of these boards Copyright © 1996-2022 by Comicboards/TVShowboards. Software Copyright © 2003-2022 Powermad Software