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Subj: Re: 90s Heroes Reborn
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 01:02:25 pm EDT (Viewed 180 times)
Reply Subj: 90s Heroes Reborn
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 07:43:10 am EDT (Viewed 320 times)

    Okay, so let me first off state that Heroes Reborn did stink like last month's garbage, but I do have to say that the Marvel Universe that remained might have been better had there been new incarnations of the teams that were wiped out and could have set up interesting storylines when the original heroes returned.

    Yes, I know that we got Thunderbolts out of the deal and that the original concept was awesome. We also got an underrated Quicksilver book, a new Heroes for Hire, Elektra, and Ka-Zar out of the situation. I know that Thunderbolts needed the hero vacuum for the series to really catch on, but I also think that it would have been interesting to see new incarnations of the classic teams.

    So, I would like to pose a few questions to you fans who suffered through that era of Marvel bankruptcy, both in terms of fiscal responsibility and comic book publishing:
    1) If they did a new Avengers and a new Fantastic Four book set in the Marvel Universe proper (616), which survivors would you place on the teams?
    2) Was the concept of a "Heroes for Hire" team the wrong book at the wrong place in the wrong time and set up to fail immediately simply because you had all these heroes who supposedly sacrificed their lives against a bigger threat?
    3) Did they reveal the T-bolts secret too early?
    4) Were there enough heroes killed off by Onslaught?

1. You could have a Fantastic Four team without the Fantastic Four...but would really want to read it? I guess Fantastic Force could have reformed (they had just recently disbanded I think).

2. I thought the art was bad. So that was my major reason for not buying the comic at the time. I don't think the premise itself is flawed in any way or that they debuted at a particularly opportune or inopportune time. The harsh reality is bad art can't save good writing. Good art can save bad writing for a while...I would have probably hated the clone saga if Bagley wasn't on ASM but the art was pretty so I was perfectly content to read about clones and more clones.

3. Hmmm. I'm a huge classic Thunderbolt fan. On the one hand I think their was a lot of mileage to get out of the idea of them pretending to be heroes but you could only stretch that out for so long before people would complain that the Thunderbolts needed to be exposed. I liked that Busiek had a plan and that within a year the whole deception was wrapped up and I thoroughly enjoyed the way the story was dealt with in Thunderbolts #10-12 BUT that second year was awful for me. Between the fun of the deception being over, the loss of Helmut and Norbert (my 2 favorite members), Hawkeye (who I despise) being paired with Karla (my next favorite) and forcing Abe to go to jail, the introduction of Charcoal...that second year was rough. I loved the first 12 issues of Thunderbolts but the love I had for the characters was reignited when Fabian Nicieza took over in issue 34. A lot of the stories Busiek was telling after issue 12 were things I wasn't interested in. Nicieza came back and worked Helmut and Norbert back in which I will always be thankful for because I love those guys.

4. More classic characters dumped into the garbage Heroes Reborn universe? No Thanks.

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