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Subj: Re: from Newsarama: Which ELSE could Joss Whedon bring to TV from Marvel?
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 at 05:52:52 am EDT (Viewed 164 times)
Reply Subj: Re: from Newsarama: Which ELSE could Joss Whedon bring to TV from Marvel?
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 at 03:58:41 pm EDT (Viewed 168 times)

    Lots of great ideas. The Marvel movie line up is sort of packed right now with the announced movies, and there are several others already in development like Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Ant-Man, etc. I think the qualifactions to be a great tv show is that you have to have little special effects, a wide lineup of supporting characters and villains, some name recognition, and a premise that appeals to a wide audience.

I agree. By the way, you mentioned the Black Panther above, and I totally am rooting for a movie, but if that doesn't pan out, a TV show would be great too. I think I would do it as the African version of what a "Super President" TV show would tend to be. As a kid I liked that cartoon so it seems to me the premise could work. Of course a TV show adults would want to watch would be filled with political intrigue.


      Doctor Strange

    Movie's in development, but magic is a tough sell on television. Chances are that it just comes off as nichey instead of cool.

Also the special effects needed to do it right would probably be prohibitive. Doctor Strange is different from Buffy in that regard. Threats in her world were mostly physical, despite the existence of magic. The enemy needed to be something she could stake or else pound to a pulp or maybe blow up or stab with a magic sword. Doctor Strange, not so much.


      Heroes for Hire

    Great potential. With Cage and First you would't need a lot in terms of special effects. Already have a built in supporting cast. And the premise allows them to draw from a wide range of villains.

I agree.

    Ideally, many fans seem to be asking for solo films for Cage and Fist, and then a Heroes for Hire movie.

Individually, these characters seem a tad underwhelming to me, if I try to think like a movie audience person who doesn't read comics. But put them together and something amazing happens. Or else, even individually, I think TV would work for them, since TV is a less bombastic medium.

Also, TV is made for what I think would be cool here: extensive flashbacks. Think Arrow. Cage has his own version of the Island in his life on the streets before he went to prison. Danny has his own version too, in his time at K'un L'un. A movie would stuggle to do justice to all that. But a TV show could handle it easily, as we know from Arrow. If the TV show featured the duo, then Cage-centered episodes would visit his "Island" and Danny-centered episodes would visit his.


      Avengers Academy

    Depends on the cast, but there are really just more interesting teenage shows they can do. The cast of AA always had the disadvantage of being the least popular of Marvel's various teen heroes.

New Warriors could make a cool film or TV show. I especially like the title. Audiences would grasp the concept immediately.



    Sci-Fi alien shows just aren't popular.

Whereas a movie could steal mojo from Men In Black. And of course, to do this concept right, the special effects would be prohibitive for TV - which is probably one reason why sci-fi alien shows are less successful on TV than in film. Bigger budgets are needed to do the thing right.

S.W.O.R.D. might seem a long shot for Marvel to do on the big screen, but wouldn't we have said the same thing about Guardians of the Galaxy? I think "Men In Black Marvel Style" would sell this film to execs. Plus Joss Whedon invented this concept, so he would likely be interested in doing the film.

    The Punisher is a natural show for HBO.

Or Showtime. Yes. Would you have super-villains? Neither Punisher film had super-villains, and neither was all that successful. I personally think it's important to have super-villains, because it establishes the show as part of the super-hero genre, which, importantly, is the only genre that includes the "no killing" rule. Buffy and the Charmed Ones were super-heroes in my opinion and they followed the "no kill" rule, where humans were concerned. The Punisher isn't a super-hero but he nonetheless falls into the genre if his enemies are super-villains. I think he's only interesting if he's perceived by audiences as breaking a sacred rule, and that won't happen if all he's doing is fighting mob types. Cops kill, FBI agents kill, vendetta-driven ex-soldiers kill, and everybody knows it. The "no kill" rule doesn't exist in cop stories, FBI stories, or vendetta stories. I think the rule has to exist for the Punisher to be interesting. And that means he has to be fighting super-villains.

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