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D. Strange

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Subj: Re: Doctor Strange #1 - Buy it or risk bedevilment!
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 05:21:29 pm CDT (Viewed 3 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Doctor Strange #1 - Buy it or risk bedevilment!
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 02:29:07 pm CDT (Viewed 179 times)

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    When you're talking serial characters with decades of history, almost all of them have a long history of girlfriends. Even hard luck Peter Parker has a long string of beautiful women... it's a far cry from the characterization here as someone who is "a dog" and has so many casual relationships that his friends rag him about it. Women have been attracted to him, but it doesn't mean he's a Barney Stinson.

Just because Wanda said something doesn't mean anything. "Dog" does not mean "womanizer" anyway.


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    Plus, I think it doesn't really fit his basic nature which Aaron seems to miss. His origin wasn't just learning humility, It's a spiritual redemption story: it was learning obtaining enlightenment, sacrifice, and empathy. The whole point is he moved from a shallow, self-interested, self-indulgent person and transformed. The personality given here, from using his magic to read if a girl is into him, proclaiming he needs a drink, they miss a fundamental point of the character.

I don't agree much. Even after his "enlightenment" (not even fond of that word, because it really wasn't-- it was just a simple lesson, and not one he really learned to perfection), Strange was never opposed to a bit of self-indulgence or self-interest. His arrogance was still an ongoing problem afterwards. He's a drinker; no big deal there. He's still entitled to have fun, unwind, etc. It was a horrible mistake that he was ever cast as an alcoholic or had any problem at all with alcohol. He's also been flippant with minor magic in the past like. No harm or foul. And that was more of a tactic than anything else.

First, I can't think of any way other than womanizer that that statement could have been interpreted. However, even if there were, the statement of having a number of exes willing to kill him is a bit less ambiguous in my minds.

While I do agree with the statements made, yes enlightened was a bit of a heavy choice of words (I still understood though) although Doc did achieve enlightenment in Strange Tales vol. 2, and since enlightened just means awoken, it may not be too far off.

Once again, if you are going to assert things like he had scads of women or that the arrogance was an ongoing problem, please site examples BEFORE Bendis got his hands on him. I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if you don't jog my memory the discussion will just go around in circles. I finished my Doc Strange collection a few years ago, and have not gotten around to rereading them all yet, it is quite a time consuming choice. I'm sure you understand. Please, I'm not even asserting your wrong per se I just need the memory jog.

The only times I really remember Doc acting in any way problematic was in the early Defender appearances where he gathered Namor and Hulk, but even then it was just because he could see the larger picture and understood the urgency.

In his own stories, I remember him copping an attitude a few times, but it really didn't feel like arrogance.


When it comes to fun, he is absolutely entitled, and it is great opportunity for good character work. The problem is that what constitutes fun is a subjective concept. When writing a character it is important to focus on what fits the character, his history and his personality.


Introverted? Yeah. Roy Thomas went as far as to say he was anti-social and that was why he was okay with putting him in the Defenders. Now depending on how you read anti-social you may agree, but keep in mind anti-social does not always mean no one in you life, and I'm sure Roy didn't mean that. Just thought I would nip that problem in the bud.


I personally think the problem was giving him to Fraction who loves to write the hipster who has trouble growing up character and Bendis who just wanted a magic guy for the Avengers. Then came the domino effect. Not that he was written as an alcoholic which I'm pretty sure is what they were going for back in his 1963 origin. I mean stereotypical Bowery bum usually reads drunkard and that was the shorthand they were going for.


Have a splendid day, sir... or I guess ma'am. I don't really know given the nature of this.


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