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It's funny how people can see the same thing so differently. I started reading Marvel comics in the late '80's and by the end of the 90's my interest in them had been killed off nearly completely.

    Not enough time is spent just trying to write great stories anymore. Marvel has become a big corporation so they are always looking for the next big thing, the latest cash-cow, or how they can cut a bigger slice of the demographics pie.

    The product has become all about marketing - gimmicks, hyperbole, and change not for the sake of the story or the character but to try and reel in one audience or another.

I feel like Marvel has gotten a fair bit better in that respect (seriously!). I mean first of all, it's always been a company that exists to make money. But leaving that aside: is today's Marvel really more about "marketing - gimmicks, hyperbole" than the 90's marvel of chromium covers and poly-bagged issues and collectable cards?

    The product is also becoming frighteningly haemogenised. Weve gone from a state where the comics influenced the direction of the movies and are rapidly approaching a time when the movies will decide what appears in the comics, primarily because Marvel are desperate to get those millions of movie-goers to buy comics. We'll eventually arrive at a place where you cant distinguish the one from the other.

I'm not sure whether you mean that A) Marvel's comics lineup has been homogenised across publishing line, or that B) the comics resemble the movies too closely. In both cases I disagree. A) the titles that marvel is putting out now look/feel very distinctly different from each other in a way that hasn't always been the case. The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl or Howard the Duck books feel like they are leagues apart from the Punisher or Moon Knight titles, for instance. B) The only moves Marvel has made to accommodate the MCU really have been in terms of what they've done with SHIELD. I'll concede your point on Fury, but on the other hand Marvel has been completely unafraid of veering off from the movies: in the current books, Captain America, Thor, and Hulk are all completely different characters, there are two Hawkeyes, and Iron Man just spent the past year or so as a villain.

    Marvel doesnt even value its rich comicbook history anymore. Secret Wars was Marvel saying 'we dont care about history or continuity anymore, were wiping the slate clean and sarting again because thats easier than trying to manage 75 years of work.' It happened, but it happened in another reality so doesnt matter now.

Secret Wars hasn't wiped the slate clean.

    Explaining why there is a white Nick Fury with a long and rich history in the marvel universe to new fans too complicated, so we'll simply erase him from that history and introducing a vastly inferior character. It doesnt matter that he lacks any of the gravitas, depth or presence of the original - because he superficially resmbles the famous actor who played the character in a few movies, so thats okay.

    On a smaller scale they cant even get the little things right. Starting their 'next big thing' (the current reboot) MONTHS before they even finished their last big thing (Secret Wars) is unforgivable. They dont even know how long Secret Wars is going to be! They announced it would run for the extra issue then retracted saying they didnt know how many issues it would run. They dont know whats going on in their own house!

Well, yeah, this delay in publishing the main SW books really sucks.

    I'm also a child of the 70's and 80's, which means i was used to comics that were availible at pocket money prices, containing hugely entertaining stories with compelling characters - not a bunch of miserable political angst - that most importantly came out on time.

I started in on the X-men at right about the time of the 'Mutant Massacre' storyline, so "miserable" and "angst" basically define what I think of with my 80's comics. \:\-\)

    I felt that I was part of another world. Now I just feel like the victim of a marketing scam most of the time.

Nothing makes us feel the way it did when we were kids. *shrug*

Having kids makes me feel like being a kid again...