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Iron Man Unit 007

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D. Strange

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Subj: Burden of Proof
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 at 09:03:33 pm EST (Viewed 400 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Stan Lee accussed of sexual misconduct?
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 at 07:39:57 pm EST (Viewed 375 times)

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    I am pretty sure sexual harassment was pretty common at one point of time. Or at least was more socially tolerable at the least.

Have you been watching Mad Men?

This is one of the many strange things that have cropped up about the past.

It is true that verbal sexual harassment was more common, but that was mostly because it existed in an area that not everyone automatically viewed as harassment. Of course overt sexual phrasing was frowned upon.

However, that isn't what Stan Lee is accused of. He is accused of groping, which has been viewed as at the very least bad form, impolite, rude, or inappropriate.

The problem is that it DID happen, but there was no way to call it out, especially since it was usually behind closed doors.

It is similar to spousal abuse. Many people think you could beat your wife for 70% of the 20th century. And you could... if you wanted grounds for divorce and to be arrested.

It was just reported less because of the problems of finding work as a woman in those days.

Don't confuse a lack of system to deal with it with open allowance.

Anyone can accuse anyone of anything but the accuser tends to be the one with the burden of proof.

Unless someone somehow made a recording of Stan's alleged misconduct, the allegations don't have a leg to stand on.

The same goes true for many of the other allegations against people.


You can say it all you want, and I am sure some of it is true, but you have to prove it in a court of law.

unlike the courts of media and public opinion that immediately condemn without proof.

Bill Cosby: yes he likely is guilty. However the evidence against him as his recent trial showed seems to be insufficient. However he is also already being punished by:

1. Court of Media and Court of Public opinion

2. His reputation is forever tarnished.

3. Many of his accolades, awards and statues are gone.

4. He has been asked to retire (polite way of firing someone) from committees that he was on.

He's not hurting for money, but his reputation is smeared forever.

Once upon a time I was falsely accused. A coworker at the time was using a milk crate to reach a high shelf, she falls and i used my forearm to block her fall by letting her impact on it, basically a forearm block.

My hand was closed and turned away so that it couldn't and didn't touch her. She thanked me, said she was fine and left the room.

A few minutes later I was called into the office because she filed a harassment charge against me.

I explained the situation and what happened, and had them call in the two people that witnessed the event. They vouched for me. Further research into her revealed that a few years back she had an ugly divorce and she was basically an embittered man-hater now.

Guess who was fired? Hint: it wasn't me.

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