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Subj: uhm...Engleheart retcon of the Vision?
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 at 11:13:06 pm EST (Viewed 457 times)
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    I don't think that's fair to say.

    Stern already had the Englehart retcon of Vision being the Human Torch to work with but this was before the Byrne retconning of that retcon.

So now I hate Steve Englehart's role in this too!

    So at that point time I think it would safe to say Phineas Horton did most of the reformatting of Human Torch into Vision as stated in Avengers #135 but one of Ultron's contribution was this control chip...which was neither a part of Jim when Phineas originally created him or when Phineas reformatted him into the Vision per Ultron's threats. I would say the control chip was something Phineas wouldn't have created and it just wasn't his tech.

I give up. The level of retcons here in impenetrable. And none of it was necessary. Not one bit of it.

Englehart - Stern - Byrne - Roy Thomas's character didn't need your help.

As I recall all we knew of Vision at that point was he was apparently built and unleashed by Ultron. Engleheart gave us the supposed origin of Vision being a reformatted Torch.

I say supposed in that we now know differently.

Now that the time it was a nice, neat wrap to the Android Torch and since Marvel had for the most part killed or retired its Golden Age WW2 characters and they had a Torch with Johnny Storm, well I doubt Stan Lee gave it much consideration and just said "Go ahead"

Yet still why would Immortus, Guardian of Time be so keen on letting Vision see his origin and then officiate the wedding of Vision/Wanda and as I recall Mantis/Swordsman at the same time? Immortus was once Kang and while supposedly reformed, he does see a larger picture and surely has secret plans running in the back ground.

Then for years Wanda has a relatively happy life until Vision is abducted, taken apart and erased only to be rebuilt into a super powered form of DATA from TNG. I say that since Vision was now even more emotionless then when he first appeared and his skin was pale white like Data's.

Wanda then goes even more crazy when Simon refuses to give his brain patters again, not realizing the reason why nor giving him the chance to explain as she dropped a mountain on him.

She is then taken over by an ancient parasite, then becomes one of the brides of Set in Atlantis Attacks and then her kids are erased and revealed as parts of Mephisto. So yeah at this point her sanity goes the way of the do-do bird and now he is easily taken under control of Immortus for his own plans.

So basically for all that time, Vision was essentially a pawn albeit unknowingly of Immortus, and so was the Torch albeit in a smaller way. Immortus splits Torch into two and lets the original rest in a grave for years while the copy becomes the Vision.

As to that control crystal that Vision yanked out of himself, I am certain Ultron placed it there, as there is no such thing in Jim. As to why it took Vision so long to remove it, it was technically a part of him and I suspect there were some Ultron Imperatives prevent him until his expanded mindset at the end of that story overcame them, plus at that point it was malfunctioning so logic would dictate he remove the faulty part. At that point his voice became more human and his personality also came fully online.

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