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Subj: Re: Thomas and Englehart
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 at 08:39:00 am EST (Viewed 215 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Thomas and Englehart
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 at 03:52:28 am EST (Viewed 214 times)

    Looking in The Official Marvel Index to The Avengers #7 (1988) I see that this is actually something that touches on the Mad Thinker's and the original Human Torch's appearance in Fantastic Four Annual #4 (1966 - the Golden Age Torch's first modern appearance). The scenes of the original Human Torch going into the desert to die after the end of his 1950s adventures and that of the Mad Thinker finding his body and reviving him (this takes several months) are shown in flashback by Steve Englehart in Avengers #134 (1975), presumably at least in part based on information contained in FF Annual #4. In #135 Englehart added the flashback sequences where Ultron-5 broke into the Thinker's lab to abduct the Torch (inert again after the fight in FF Annual #4) and at the same time erase Quasimodo's memories of Ultron (to square things with Quasimodo's appearance in FF Annual #5, ah the joys of retconning!), of Ultron-5 locating Phineas Horton to help him revive the Torch and convert him to the Vision, and of Ultron-5 killing Horton and then transferring Wonder Man's memories (recorded by Henry Pym) to the Vision.

I was with you until the last 11 words. As I've noted elsewhere, I'm softening to the Hammond-was-rebuilt-into-the-Vision concept. I can actually see it as a Japanese cartoon. (No, I haven't softened to Immortus and the Space Phantoms.) But Simon William's brain patterns? Why were these necessary? Did the story explain it? Why had Hank Pym recorded the brain patterns in the first place?

Incidentally, "Immortus and the Space Phantoms" would be a cool name for a band!